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Nekopyat
Nee-Co
#21 - 2012-04-10 14:51:13 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3


Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#22 - 2012-04-10 14:51:39 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
These changes will generate enough tears to terraform Mars. Twisted



LMAO!
Eva Volkova
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-10 14:52:29 UTC
So drones will get bounties like any other npc but no tipe of loot?

Will you change anomalies / plexes for drone regoins?

Will drones have officer drops?

Will drones have haulers?

EvA
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-04-10 14:53:23 UTC
Nekopyat wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3


Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^

my spider senses are tingling that all meta0 loot is being removed from npcs

my spider senses are mostly remembering it was already announced though they're not very impressive
Sunoccard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-10 14:53:30 UTC
Good allround changes, it's going to play hell on the market for a while, but it'll settle.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#26 - 2012-04-10 14:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Nekopyat wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3


Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^


Think before you post. Or in this case look at the market with minerals rising across the board before you post.


Actually CCP Phantom, that reminds me - there was talk of removing Meta 0 loot drops from NPCs. Is that still a thing?

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-04-10 14:53:35 UTC
Finally all the incursion sites will be more like the Assault site NCN. Does this mean that there will no longer be set spawns but completely randomized?
Reya Lightbringer
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#28 - 2012-04-10 14:53:58 UTC
As a PvP player, I'm thrilled that null sec mining will soon become more profitable. Always nice to have more targets. Pirate
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#29 - 2012-04-10 14:54:56 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Nekopyat wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3


Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^


Think before you post. Or in this case look at the market with minerals rising across the board before you post.


Actually CCP Phantom, that reminds me - there was talk of removing Meta 0 loot drops from NPCs. Is that still a thing?


I believe it's still a thing, and a thing that's in this patch.

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Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-10 14:55:21 UTC
Quote:
As well as adjusting these triggers, we’ve also randomized the spawns based on feedback that Incursions had become too predictable. Now, when you enter an Incursion you will no longer be able to predict every spawn.


Fingers crossed that this includes random energy neuting NPCs.
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#31 - 2012-04-10 14:56:22 UTC
Eva Volkova wrote:
So drones will get bounties like any other npc but no tipe of loot?

Will you change anomalies / plexes for drone regoins?

Will drones have officer drops?

Will drones have haulers?

EvA


Probably not for any of them. But now people will actually want your space. Shocked Better start stocking up ships.

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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2012-04-10 14:56:22 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Great change to the way Incursion sites spawn, that's enough to make me want to go back knowing I'm doing more than shooting Deltoles all day.

My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?




The sites are still more than worthwhile, just on par with the others now. However, that being said, we will monitor the changes carefully and see how things go.

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Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-04-10 14:57:37 UTC
it's not very clear if drones will give sec status increases (like normal rats) or not (like terrible oem and mercenary rats).
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2012-04-10 14:59:05 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:



but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3



Oh yes they do. When I think about miners I just want to touch them all over with my blasters. Bear
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#35 - 2012-04-10 15:01:26 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Great change to the way Incursion sites spawn, that's enough to make me want to go back knowing I'm doing more than shooting Deltoles all day.

My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?




The sites are still more than worthwhile, just on par with the others now. However, that being said, we will monitor the changes carefully and see how things go.



I still think there's an outlet in turning Scout sites into relativly good sites for small fleets of T1 sub BS level ships. An introductory way for newer players to cut their teeth on and make isk doing it, right now Scout sites feel like they offer nothing.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-04-10 15:01:52 UTC
Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?

Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.

Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-04-10 15:02:27 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Nekopyat wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3


Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^


Think before you post. Or in this case look at the market with minerals rising across the board before you post.


Actually CCP Phantom, that reminds me - there was talk of removing Meta 0 loot drops from NPCs. Is that still a thing?


I believe it's still a thing, and a thing that's in this patch.


this -> http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

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Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-04-10 15:02:38 UTC
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#39 - 2012-04-10 15:02:57 UTC
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Andrea Griffin
#40 - 2012-04-10 15:05:20 UTC
I really do think that drone alloys gave the drones something unique and different than the rest of Eve's PvE enemies. Giving them bounties doesn't make the space unique or interesting or worth fighting over. It's boring and stale and uninteresting

I understand the effect on mining which is why I propose a different change

What about the drones dropping components required for T2 drone production - and that was the only way to get them

This gives them more flavor, something other than a bounty, and makes the nullsec drone regions something valuable and worth fighting over. The alliances that control T2 drone production could end up quite wealthy. It also doesn't create an additional isk faucet like the bounty change will create.

The rest of the changes sound good though, it's just this drone thing. Eve needs more variety, not less.

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