Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why not include refining ores in the corp tax, that way tax applies to everyone not just mission runners/anomoly runners/ratters

It would be alot easier to setup and run mining ops etc.. and its mre fair that way the pvpers and indy guys are putting into the corp equaly.. :D

it will help in solving the problem that pvpers dont think that indy guys dont help at all... :D

Also a extra wallet for people, will help saving for ships etc as 1 wallet is never enough by a long shot..

Tax rate? Like this?

Corp tax on refining exists..... already.... in player owned stations in 0.0.... the red dots on the map :)

As for taxing the miners.... which is what you meant to write... same as taxing the mission runners in your corp..... which probably provides nothing in return.... Saddly the miners union wont let you :P

Mining is the only and the best way to avoid any tax.... So deal with it..... And leave the miners alone .... or ill come in my battle Rorqual.... and you dont want me to put it into sedge mode....

No, silly. It instapop Titans.

The only thing this will change is chasing miners out of your corp, and into those with 0% tax.

It would be very easy to avoid such taxes. Make a own 0% tax corporation with a character on another account -> stationtrade; refine; stationtrade; completed.

That is a lot to do just to avoid a corp tax. A second account with maxed standing for better refines, plus all the training to properly refine each ore. I suppose this is possible, but unlikely.

If you are in an industry corp that: works to protect miners, has good standing for refines, and supports their miners (all rare for large corps).... It seems to me a small percentage of mining refines would make sense to support that corp.

The real problem is corporations are left to figure out what tax rate is appropriate, which in and of itself is not a problem. But there is no interface aspect allowing an automation of taxes for other than missions/cosmic anomalies (Bounty prizes on PVE ships). So a 10 percent tax rate only taxes PVE bounty prizes over 100k ISK. Therefore, large corporations only seek out those types of players to fill out a majority of their personnel slots. Since the interface does not automatically apply that same 10 percent tax rate across the board to all occupations (mining, refining, invention, manufacturing, planetary interaction, moon goo, JF pilots, pvp pilots, etc.), the choice remains a subjective aspect of corporation management.

Example: I manufacture 1.348 million Scourge Heavy Missile, which I can sell for 55.00 ISK each. Depending on station manufacturing fees, etc it can cost anywhere between .5 to 10 million ISK to start the job. All missiles sell and net is 74.14 million minus that manufacture fee. So lets say it is an across the board ten percent, so 7.414 million ISK build fee and 10 percent corp tax still leaves 16.9 mil profit. Per missile that is 12.53 ISK profit.

Therefore, corporations are forced to favor those occupations which support their livelihood financially. They also favor those that donate their time, energy, resources, etc. In order for automatic taxes on all occupations to be implemented, it seems some major changes are required to the interface. It is difficult to say what changes are required (not a dev/programmer) but I imagine the largest hurdle would be convincing the players this change is necessary. This is only compounded when a corporation moves to nul space. With a majority of the minerals trading hands in empire space, it seems to follow corp taxes on such goods would make those industry corps into massively wealthy mega-corps.

Yet, I contend most the in-game wealth is obtained by and held by pve players. They may later convert to industrial players, but it is pve that is winning... not mining.

Large corporations want income and the ones that provide income have a say in how things happen. Make miners and the other industrial professions viable in the game by taxing us... I am a miner/researcher/inventor/manufacturer and am tired of not being listened to. Corporations listen to income; make them listen by taxing miners.

This would be helpful for Corps gaining some income from members.

I can see a market tax being easy to apply -

Corporate market sales tax 0 - 1 % ( inline with trader and other market taxes)
With all the NPC corps having a rate of 1% applied to encourage player corps.

Im not convinced about a manufacturing tax or a refining tax
manufacturing/refining for own use or corp use or to later sell cannot be distinguished.
And how to value the goods - region lowest sell? average , 10 day floating average.
Manufacturing/refining to sell would be taxed via the corp market tax above.

I think id be in favor of the corp market tax but not a manufacturing/refining tax.

Income scalability is the key. You have alliances/corporations ignoring anyone that does not "give" or earn it income via the tax system. Since more than anything else, ratting earns a huge amount of isk for an alliance, all other professions are ignored. PI will now become more important to alliances due to the default tax system changes coming.

There is no comparable "rare or officer spawn" for all other professions, giving you loot worth 5 billion ISK. It is not part of the game design, therefore manufacturing/invention/PI/mining has no possible way to compete. All the other professions are similarly plagued with relatively low income possibilities when compared to ratting loot drops. With coming changes to customs offices, finally corporations will be forced to tax the PI profession as a default percent of the goods produced. The other professions do not really have this and are therefore treated with less respect by large alliances.

1. Add more income to equalize each profession's income for time spent ratting/mining/whatever.
2. Add "rare or officer spawns" to all professions. Maybe a bpo appears instead of your t2 bpc for invention jobs; priceless artifacts are found in the ore you are mining; I am sure others can add more ideas for all the professions and/or change these to make them balanced, non-boring, and actually lure people back to actually play eve.

Can you mine in nul sec? Yes. Is there high quality ore in nul? Yes, but a majority of that ore is not even touched. Alliances give no fu**ks about miners in nul. The alliances do not have to, since the majority of their income comes from the ratters. Rat bounty payouts over 100k isk are taxed by corporations.

With fat wallets from ratting players in their corporations, the alliance can be paid rent, donations of ships, etc to keep the corp in good standing with the alliance. Another bonus is loot drops (mods below meta-3 are melted for rare minerals; mods above meta-3 and faction and officer mods sold for huge profit) and salvage from the npc rats; ratting is thus way too profitable for time spent. These rare minerals also make mining in nul pointless.

So, essentially this idea would allow income to flow more easily from those other professions. Now it is mostly from ratters; automatic payment of their corp tax means it is simple and not open to human error or corruption. On the other hand, since most of the other professions taxes are non-existant or very low... due to the income flow to corp being lower than for ratting, corporations listen to desires of their ratters.

Do they listen to the other professions? Miners are ignored and told to go rat. Same goes for most the other professions.

So, the idea is to increase possible income for all the other professions. And make the tax automatic for goods produced, so the end result is the pilot doing the profession earns more isk and the corp as well. Since the corp gets a cut, they will respect them more.

I only thought of a few ideas on how to tax the other professions. There is always a way to apply tax automatically. Governments figure out how to tax everything under the sun, so it can't be that hard to come up with something in eve. Respect from ratting can be spread to all the other professions... like mining, invention, haulers, and yes even cloaky intel gatherers.