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Do Sensor Dampeners need buffing?

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Mister Kwong
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-09 18:29:20 UTC
I've heard that they are underwhelming. I will be training for Gallente recon and would like to hear from others
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#2 - 2012-04-09 18:31:39 UTC
No, but the ships that specialize in them do need buffing.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Biced
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-09 18:34:58 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
No, but the ships that specialize in them do need buffing.


this and target painters as well.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-04-09 18:35:41 UTC
I don't bother using damps on damp specialized ships. Why would you?

-Liang

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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-09 18:58:45 UTC
Biced wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
No, but the ships that specialize in them do need buffing.


this and target painters as well.


Painters are ok...not great, but functional. I notice a difference when I'm firing at ships one size-tier below the appropriate size for the missiles I'm using (i.e. Cruise missiles vs. BC's). Beyond that - gotta pack at least 2 to notice a difference.

Nonetheless, they serve their purpose and they do so in at least a serviceable fashion.
Biced
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-04-09 19:07:39 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I don't bother using damps on damp specialized ships. Why would you?

-Liang


damp logis and falcons.
Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-09 19:13:39 UTC
Damps are good against the following ships:

-Interceptors

That is all.
Mister Kwong
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-09 20:04:28 UTC
So how much buffing do they need then? And why are they considered underpowered atm?
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#9 - 2012-04-09 20:40:39 UTC
Arzaiuc wrote:
Damps are good against the following ships:

-Interceptors

That is all.


In theory, with the Arazu you can point from, what, 40k with just ship command skills? You could probably damp a cruiser or an overconfident BS with a close-in setup down below that as well.

But yeah, for general use they're not very good on un-bonused ships.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-09 20:43:46 UTC
Would make sense if most fighting didn't occur with in point and web range...
Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-09 20:52:20 UTC
Mister Kwong wrote:
So how much buffing do they need then? And why are they considered underpowered atm?


They could be buffed up to 150% of their current strength and be good. The problem is that either you have enough damp to render the target useless (like an ECM on crack) or don't have enough damp to render the target useless (in which case the damps are completely pointless).

Against 90% of ships, even a dedicated recon ship can't damp more than 1 target effectively. A non-recon damp ship can't damp anything effectively.
Pulgy
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-09 20:53:30 UTC
Clearly no one in this thread has tried using damps against nano/alpha ships, let alone logistic ships Smile
but shhh don't tell anyone.
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Katalci
Kismesis
#13 - 2012-04-10 06:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
Load the scan resolution script, damp logis and suddenly you have a lot more effective alpha.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-10 06:45:53 UTC
Damps will be readjusted with ship balancing, but expect to wait 9999999999 years for it.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2012-04-10 06:47:51 UTC
You can also grief a lone BS with keres/arazu/lach by keeping it damped down to less then 30km targeting range while having +30km disruptor. ShockedPirate
So yeah damps have some uses but all in all they could be less situational as it is they are mostly useless against anything that is medium sized with MWD fitted, unless the dampening ship has buddies with him.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2012-04-10 15:50:41 UTC
Damps has its place.
1. Mid range engagements. Damp the opponent to below your optimal engagement range (usually near 40 km).
2. Anti-logi. Scan res scripts keep logi from locking targeted ship in time to apply reps.
3. **** off e-war/kiters in general by breaking their locks at longer ranges.

What it doesn't do well is damp down opponents to an engageent range where Gallente blasters can be effective. Most of the time the target ship is damped down to a range outside of blaster effective range. So it can still point the Gallente hull and be immune to any damage.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#17 - 2012-04-10 17:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
the problem with damps pre stacking/scripting nerfs was they were op... everyone used them including your grandma...

imo ships like the arazu/lach could get the bonus upped to like 7.5% effectiveness per lev...

but i would like to see damps also decrease max targets... so one tech I damp on an unbonused ship will reduce max target by 0.5 and a tech II by 1

then on a bonused ship tech I = 1 tech II = 1.5

this could make gal ewar pretty interesting as you would have less targets to choose from plus would make logi pilots job even harder...

plus it would make the current rock paper scissors game we have more interesting...

edit plus it would make the low slot sensor enhancer usefull as it add max locked targets which would be imune to the sensor damp so you could atleast target two ships...

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Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-10 17:12:25 UTC
I use a couple meta 4 Damps on my Stealth Bomber
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#19 - 2012-04-10 18:38:54 UTC
Pulgy wrote:
Clearly no one in this thread has tried using damps against nano/alpha ships, let alone logistic ships Smile
but shhh don't tell anyone.


^ This

Reppyk
The Black Shell
#20 - 2012-04-10 23:09:06 UTC
The 2 buffs I would like to see is one for the rig (and for the td too).
Since damps/tds can use a script, the rig gives a very small bonus to both. The sensor booster for example, has 2 different rigs.

And... Damp/td/painter overload please.

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