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Raising Money for the EVE We Deserve

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Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-09 21:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneirkus Auralex
tl;dr should we generate grassroots funding for 3rd party content (such as Clear Skies) and/or accelerated development of features, such as tessalation?

Is it time to put our money where our mouths are?


Reading thread after thread of this idea and that idea, the thought occurred - if CCP can't do everything players want them to do right now, why can't we give them that ability?

Some may object that we already pay monthly subscriptions, and therefore shouldn't have to contribute any more. While I'd agree - but I'd also note that as a corporation, CCP's output is constrained by limited resources. Logic follows that by increasing their resources, we can increase their output. I'd bet that many of us wouldn't mind kicking in a few extra bucks if it meant getting a desired feature twice a fast.

We live in an age where social media and micro-donations have the potential to amass substantial funding for minimal effort. Candidates could include new Clear Skies episodes (though not created by CCP), a feature length EVE movie based on the Cinematic Trailer, or something else. We're told that adding tessalation effects would require a whole year. What if we could speed that up?

Anyone who's watched that trailer has probably seen top-rated comments such as "I"M THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING" - we're a passionate community with appeal that extends well beyond our current player-base. And ME3 generated $80,000 in a matter of weeks. Instead of watching those wallets bound off of computer monitors around the world, perhaps we should hold out a bucket? This phenomena has already pervaded the music industry, with fan-funded albums. Being a "community of firsts," I can't think of anywhere more appropriate to create the changes we seek, ourselves. Kickstarter, Fundly... the possibilities are endless.

In this thread, please discuss ideas, suggestions for fundraising items, or reasons why this shouldn't be. With our numbers united, we quite literally have the power to realize almost anything we can imagine.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#2 - 2012-04-09 21:41:30 UTC
Kickstarter? It seems like a lot of game companies are using that to get initial funding and to judge how popular an idea is.

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Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-09 21:44:24 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Kickstarter? It seems like a lot of game companies are using that to get initial funding and to judge how popular an idea is.


Indeed - kickstarter is used for a ton of projects these days, from game development to art galleries. It could be a perfect method to fund, say, a feature length EVE movie. My only qualm with them is the amount they shave off the top...
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-09 23:31:43 UTC
Just go buy plex if you honestly think this is a good idea. Me I pay for a service, and that's the end of it. I don't pay Mazda more money for future cars. (I dont buy stock)

So go buy CCP stock (though im more than fairly certain they're not public) if you're that devoted... But I will say it's not a pure money issue rather man power, and man power training
Jorma Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-10 00:39:12 UTC
Not the EVE we deserved but the EVE we needed. Nothing less than a game. Shining.



Stop using your money to try and influence a game's direction (ME3 hah), use it for something better like charities to feed and help the millions of starving and suffering in third-world nations.
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-10 02:09:41 UTC
As always on the EVE forums, an impressive demonstration of logic, reading comprehension and constructive discourse. Let's simplify the question:

If donating 5 of your dollars meant that in a few months we'd see a new, beautifully rendered, feature-length "Clear Skies 4," would you donate it?
Serene Repose
#7 - 2012-04-10 02:14:14 UTC
Let's have a cookie sale! Car wash?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
#8 - 2012-04-10 02:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat o'Ninetails
They just saved a bunch of money with some staffing decisions, and they should have significantly cut down on the GM workload with some admittedly neat tricks.

I'm sure CCP knows what they're doing and where they're headed.

Take what I just said, and sugar coat it, because it isn't meant to sound as snarky as it does lol P

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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2012-04-10 03:21:27 UTC
Offtopic posts removed.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire

Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-10 03:29:45 UTC
If anyone is going to donate more than $10 I recommend making a new account and training it for 6 months and then selling it in the character bazaar c: You can get ISK and support CCP at the same time!

Ferox #1

Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-10 03:40:55 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Let's have a cookie sale! Car wash?


Meanwhile, somewhere in reality, a crappy band raises $10,000 to record a crappy album, and some other guys raise $9,000 to make clocks based on radial geometry. But I know it's much easier to post a brief, snarky comment on the EVE forums rather than actually comprehend what you're reading and reply. My apologies for disturbing your mining.

While perhaps precarious to attempt accelerating feature development, it would almost certainly work for peripheral goals, such as a feature length movie, or Clear Skies 4 (which CCP has nothing to do with, anyway). This idea isn't about "paying Mazda for future cars." It's about making possible developments and content that we all want.

As an aside, the general state of being on these forums is terrible. With the way many posters on here act, I wouldn't blame CCP, were they to ignore them.
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#12 - 2012-04-10 03:52:38 UTC
I'm all for CCP making more money. I'm also pretty happy with the product that they have now, and with the pace in which they have rolled out their expansions.

Here is are a few easy and fast ways for CCP to make money off of EVE:

1. Release an anthology novel of the chronicles. These stories are already written and owned by CCP. For many of us, who don't like to read on the computer monitor (PDF format) a paper back version of the same stories would sell very well.

2. EON Magazine could be expanded to 6 issues per year and sold for a much lower subscription rate. $14.95 per issue is just too high, essentially equalling a full month's worth of the game subscription.

EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#13 - 2012-04-10 04:14:18 UTC
I know this may come as a surprise, but throwing more of something at a project, isn't always the solution.

CCP got itself into a mess growing too fast and uncontrolled. They basically imploded – and we got the crap that was 2010/11.

Let's see them actually re-structure, re-align and succeed again; before we start throwing more money at them.

If EVE can't survive and improve as a 15USD subscription game WITH a microtransaction system on top of that, in these F2P-times, then it will go the way of the dinosaurs.
Panacani
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-10 04:15:10 UTC
As long as I could direct the money I 'donate' to the projects I want to see completed, I would shovel money at them. Without control over where the extra funding goes, there is no point - like someone else said just go buy Plex.
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-10 04:41:47 UTC
Pohbis wrote:

Let's see them actually re-structure, re-align and succeed again; before we start throwing more money at them.


I'd agree with you on that. If an organization is ineffective, it won't matter what amount of resources it has at its disposal.

Panacani wrote:
As long as I could direct the money I 'donate' to the projects I want to see completed, I would shovel money at them.


I also agree, here. Fundraising campaigns such as Kickstarter require specific fundraising targets and a specific, pre-determined goal. In other words, we couldn't just raise money for CCP - we'd have to attempt to raise X number of dollars for the purpose of achieving Y goal. If the fundraising goal isn't met, then the campaign is nullified and everyone gets their money back.

Re-framing the Question
It's becoming clear that raising funding for the development of specific features is both undesirable and unfeasible. But what about 3rd party content like "Clear Skies" or a hardcopy printing run of the Chronicles, like Bluddwolf suggested? Table-top ship models? I think there are many opportunities to add depth to our game experience by filling in the gaps CCP has left open for us.
Selinate
#16 - 2012-04-10 04:44:52 UTC
so you want me to pay more for a game that I already pay for?

FYI, money doesn't always simply equal faster results...
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#17 - 2012-04-10 04:46:56 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
CCP got itself into a mess growing too fast and uncontrolled. They basically imploded – and we got the crap that was 2010/11.

If EVE can't survive and improve as a 15USD subscription game WITH a microtransaction system on top of that, in these F2P-times, then it will go the way of the dinosaurs.


Huh??

"Growing too fast and uncontrolled" - EVE has been fairly steady at 400k subscription base for almost its entire existance. Sure, it may have ticked up or down a few 10k, but for the most part steady.

Its micortransactions are limited and at the present completely cosmetic. I certainly hope it stays that way.

EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it

Panacani
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-10 04:52:39 UTC
Fellow is talking about donations. Not a mandatory subscription hike, nobody is asking you to pay more.

Also, yes everyone knows that you don't get a 1 to 1 return on investment here, you don't sound smart saying the same thing everyone else says.

I disagree with fundraising specific features/projects being unfeasible. It is entirely feasible, add another team that could tackle an entirely new area that is currently not being touched (UI?). Funded entirely by donations from those with a few bucks to spare on a hobby? Completely feasible.
Panacani
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-10 04:58:30 UTC
Personally I'd rather be able to direct x money each billing cycle to x game system or feature which would be directly applied to the budget of said feature rather than a single-issue or short term 'fundraiser'.
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-04-10 05:11:34 UTC
Panacani wrote:
Personally I'd rather be able to direct x money each billing cycle to x game system or feature which would be directly applied to the budget of said feature rather than a single-issue or short term 'fundraiser'.

That definitely sounds like a great way to contribute to specific feature development. Maybe Kickstarter campaigns would be more appropriate for projects like Clear Skies 4 (which wouldn't go to CCP anyway).

I've emailed both CCP and Kickstarter to see if their terms would permit this sort of 3rd party fundraising.. in the meantime, if people have ideas for possible campaign subjects (something specific that donations would be applied to) please share them here.
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