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Racial BC in April or May?

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#41 - 2012-04-09 23:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Liang Nuren wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:

Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang


You're missing the entire point.


A thousand different answers are no answer at all.

And I don't want to be able to fly any ship I could sit in today at the cost of bloating my clone with 6 mill more SP with CCPs punishing clone cost policiies for loyal customers.



As a matter of fact, both of my PvP oriented characters would be perfect Drake pilots

- I trained all passive shield tanking skills to V for the Curse, which came in convenient when I switched to Winmatar.

- Trained all V missile skills for Khanid ships, Stealthbombers and some Minmatar fittings.

- Trained BC V (I used to fly Harbingers pre AC-boost and pre-nerf Myrms, then it was for the Cane).

- Trained Destroyers V for the Thrasher.

- Got Caldari ship skils solely for Guristas and Sansha ships.

Yet I've never flown a Caldari BC.

Considering Destroyers, I've never flown anything but a Thrasher (except a salvaging Catalyst and some throwaway dictors), so that will be 1.5 mill useless SP added for ships I could fly but never do.

Considering BCs, I'll get 4.5 mill additional SP for some ships I can perfectly fly skill-wise, but never do - (I hate Drakes and post-bandwidth Myrms are a joke).



So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-04-10 00:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arzaiuc
Liang Nuren wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:

Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang


You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.

The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-04-10 00:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Arzaiuc wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:

Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang


You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.

The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".




It looks like BCs won't be in April they might not even change in May.

Destroyers are less clear as originally they were lumped in with frigate and cruisers, but it seems it now just frigates and cruisers that are likely to change first.

But read the dev blog, the link is in this thread to pg 73 of the blog.


Edit: although they have talked about doing the racial change in one hit, which suggests destroyers will change at the same time as BCs, so it looks like people still have time to train them.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#44 - 2012-04-10 00:14:06 UTC
Arzaiuc wrote:
The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".

Nowhere in this thread has a dev stated that the change will come in April. Do you honestly think CCP will completely overhaul frigates and destroyers before this month's pre-expansion? There will be plenty of warning from the Sisi crowd and from the devs before they implement these changes.

All indications point towards a post-May change, which gives you plenty of time to do the training you need.

You will not get a better timeframe than that because CCP has to balance ships first, and that takes time.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Aren Dar
EVE University
Ivy League
#45 - 2012-04-10 02:05:40 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:


hahahahaha you didn't even click or read the link did you. you are total fail and you should never post again.


I did. It appears you omitted to read the phrases "it depends on how it is done" and "To remind it again, there are other options to consider".

All the answer says is that we may do this, we may do this other thing, or we may do something completely different.
MEPH1ST0
Masonic Guard
#46 - 2012-04-10 13:31:35 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P



    Ok, am i missing something here because that dev blog says "We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V ". Its says MAY, not will, but MAY.
    I currently have ALL sub capital ships skills at 5. So will i get ALL destroyers and ALL battlecruisers to 5 when this comes out?

    Meph
    Malcanis
    Vanishing Point.
    The Initiative.
    #47 - 2012-04-10 13:40:04 UTC
    Arzaiuc wrote:
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang


    You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.

    The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".


    Given that Battlecruisers 5 gives you access to 20 ships, most of which are extremely good, the real question is why haven't you trained it already?

    "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

    Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
    Arrs Grazznic
    Poena Executive Solutions
    #48 - 2012-04-10 14:12:47 UTC
    Having both Destroyer and Battle Cruiser to 5 as well as all racial Frigate and Cruiser skills to 5, I guess that I'll be good almost whatever happens. Not really worried about clone bloat -- past a certain SP limit it doesn't really matter.
    Pr1ncess Alia
    Doomheim
    #49 - 2012-04-10 14:35:31 UTC
    Large Collidable Object wrote:
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang


    You're missing the entire point.


    A thousand different answers are no answer at all.

    And I don't want to be able to fly any ship I could sit in today at the cost of bloating my clone with 6 mill more SP with CCPs punishing clone cost policiies for loyal customers.



    As a matter of fact, both of my PvP oriented characters would be perfect Drake pilots

    - I trained all passive shield tanking skills to V for the Curse, which came in convenient when I switched to Winmatar.

    - Trained all V missile skills for Khanid ships, Stealthbombers and some Minmatar fittings.

    - Trained BC V (I used to fly Harbingers pre AC-boost and pre-nerf Myrms, then it was for the Cane).

    - Trained Destroyers V for the Thrasher.

    - Got Caldari ship skils solely for Guristas and Sansha ships.

    Yet I've never flown a Caldari BC.

    Considering Destroyers, I've never flown anything but a Thrasher (except a salvaging Catalyst and some throwaway dictors), so that will be 1.5 mill useless SP added for ships I could fly but never do.

    Considering BCs, I'll get 4.5 mill additional SP for some ships I can perfectly fly skill-wise, but never do - (I hate Drakes and post-bandwidth Myrms are a joke).



    So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.


    You ever hear the phrase: 'you can't please everyone' ?

    When people as obstinate and nitpicky like you are around, it's a real pleasure knowing you'll be pissed.

    Better game design? Check
    No players need to retrain ships they can currently fly? Check
    Terrible poasters faux crying about a non-issue? Check

    "but but but my clone will be bigger if ccp gives me free skillpoints!!"

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
    QQ more please.
    FlameGlow
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #50 - 2012-04-10 15:07:29 UTC
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.



    Why don't you pod yourself repeatedly, until you clone price low enough for your satisfaction?
    Large Collidable Object
    morons.
    #51 - 2012-04-10 15:43:54 UTC
    Arrs Grazznic wrote:
    Not really worried about clone bloat -- past a certain SP limit it doesn't really matter.


    I'll jump from 20 to 30 mill isk/clone - sure - it's affordable - yet annyoing to have to pay 50% more for no benefit each time I take the fast route home.
    You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
    Aqriue
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #52 - 2012-04-10 16:17:07 UTC
    Can CCP just post a diagram of the bare minimum skills needed to deal with Offcial(tm) broad skill ship changes?

    Then show the results if you have destroyer 5 and battlecruiser 5 and how much SP they are getting from it.

    Like this (all ships at 4, because thats bare minimum to fly well for ship hull bonus until you get 5).

    Racial 1 Frig level 4- Racial 1 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 1 Battleship level 4
    ---Destroyer
    ---Battlecruiser

    Becomes

    Racial 1 Frig level 4- Racial 1 Destroyer 5 -Racial 1 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 1 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4

    Followed by how it crosses over if you have other races

    Racial 1 Frig level 4- Racial 1 Destroyer 5 -Racial 1 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 1 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4
    Racial 2 Frig level 4- Racial 2 Destroyer 5 -Racial 2 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 2 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4
    Racial 3 Frig level 4- Racial 3 Destroyer 5 -Racial 3 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 3 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4
    Racial 4 Frig level 4- Racial 4 Destroyer 5 -Racial 4 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 4 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4

    A diagram helps because its a logical linear order of steps and if CCP says "So say we all!" then we can just accept it. Swap the 4s to the bare minimum and now everyone could easily understand the required amount + what they are getting after it. Currently the piles of words in the dev blogs are distracting, not everyone is good at determining where two trains will meet a a certain place and time while traveling at different speeds Roll
    Sol Tertia
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #53 - 2012-04-10 16:56:44 UTC
    There appears to be an unspoken assumption that the new racial battlecruisers skills will still be x6 learning time multiplier, if that's not the case the SP inflation may in fact be substantially lower than people are speculating.
    Aren Dar
    EVE University
    Ivy League
    #54 - 2012-04-10 17:01:16 UTC
    Sol Tertia wrote:
    There appears to be an unspoken assumption that the new racial battlecruisers skills will still be x6 learning time multiplier, if that's not the case the SP inflation may in fact be substantially lower than people are speculating.


    Yes, they will be:

    "New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"
    Sol Tertia
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #55 - 2012-04-10 17:08:31 UTC
    Aren Dar wrote:
    Yes, they will be:

    "New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"

    Ok, I missed that one. Ta for the correction.
    Mister Sparkles
    Lead and Glitter.
    #56 - 2012-04-10 17:09:35 UTC
    I can't wait to fly new racist battlecruisers
    Melina Lin
    Universal Frog
    #57 - 2012-04-10 17:18:00 UTC
    Mister Sparkles wrote:
    I can't wait to fly new racist battlecruisers

    I am pondering to relocate the Minnie ships to another hangar. I don't want my new racist battlecruisers to get into a shooting shouting match with one another.
    Cipher Jones
    The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
    #58 - 2012-04-10 17:58:11 UTC
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang


    We only want it answered one way, dis-ambiguously.

    -Cipher

    internet spaceships

    are serious business sir.

    and don't forget it
    Alayna Le'line
    #59 - 2012-04-10 18:43:15 UTC
    Malcanis wrote:
    Arzaiuc wrote:
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang


    You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.

    The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".


    Given that Battlecruisers 5 gives you access to 20 ships, most of which are extremely good, the real question is why haven't you trained it already?


    Some of us haven't been playing all that long and a ~20day skill might not exactly have been on top of our priority list (Assault Frigates sorta were on top of mine before the announcement about this).

    If you got everything relevant at V then it doesn't really matter what's going to happen and more importantly WHEN; nothing more you can do anyway. If you don't on the other hand and if you're less old than, say, a year or two, then it DOES matter.

    Anyway just my 0.02 ISK.
    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #60 - 2012-04-10 18:48:13 UTC
    I don't mind getting free SP.


    I do mind that its actually not free. It costs more every time I lose a pod.

    I'll just deal with it, but it would be nice if CCP lowered clone costs just a little bit.