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Racial BC in April or May?

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#21 - 2012-03-26 15:31:13 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
So when are we expecting the new destroyers?

soon™
Aren Dar
EVE University
Ivy League
#22 - 2012-04-09 20:21:14 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P


    No. It really hasn't. CCP has referred variously to 'skill reimbursement' and 'you will be able to fly what you can fly now', those two things are not necessarily (and unlikely to be) synonymous.

    I get it, you don't really know what to do with the SP situation but are trying to do something that will be fair, that's fine but that's not what you (or anyone else) as said.
    MotherMoon
    Tribal Liberation Force
    Minmatar Republic
    #23 - 2012-04-09 20:27:15 UTC
    Aren Dar wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    DelBoy Trades wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P


    No. It really hasn't. CCP has referred variously to 'skill reimbursement' and 'you will be able to fly what you can fly now', those two things are not necessarily (and unlikely to be) synonymous.

    I get it, you don't really know what to do with the SP situation but are trying to do something that will be fair, that's fine but that's not what you (or anyone else) as said.


    hahahahaha you didn't even click or read the link did you. you are total fail and you should never post again.

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    Tyberius Franklin
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #24 - 2012-04-09 20:28:14 UTC
    Aren Dar wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    DelBoy Trades wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P


    No. It really hasn't. CCP has referred variously to 'skill reimbursement' and 'you will be able to fly what you can fly now', those two things are not necessarily (and unlikely to be) synonymous.

    I get it, you don't really know what to do with the SP situation but are trying to do something that will be fair, that's fine but that's not what you (or anyone else) as said.

    Considering the options presented it seems pretty clear what they have in mind to me:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

    # Q: can we opt out for skills we don't want during the reimbursement process?

    A: well, again, it depends on how it is done. We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V for example, or maybe require that you also add the relevant Cruiser skill trained at level 3 to be eligible. On the latter case, just don't train the cruiser 3 skill, and you should not receive the new racial battlecruiser at 5. Not sure why one would do that however, it's like skipping free candy or cake while visiting your grandma.

    Example:
    # If we go for option 1: you will get Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Battlecruiser skills at 5 if you previously had the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5.
    # If we go for option 2: you will get Amarr Battlecruiser skill at 5 only if you previously fulfilled all conditions to fly Amarr Battlecruisers, which means having the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5, PLUS the Amarr Cruiser at 3.

    To remind it again, there are other options to consider, but no matter which one which choose, you won't lose anything out of the skill reimbursement plan.
    Cipher Jones
    The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
    #25 - 2012-04-09 20:29:27 UTC
    Mara Rinn wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P


    I pity the life of a developer, when you have to deal with people who won't read stuff that was hot news two weeks ago, then expect you to answer the same question for the thousandth time because today for some reason the issue is of immense interest to them.

    Merci bien pour votre patience infinie.


    I pity fanbois.

    Seriously, the answer was long and ambiguous, & gave no set TTC.

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    Arzaiuc
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #26 - 2012-04-09 20:45:53 UTC
    I'll be pissed off if it's on the 28th that these changes happen.
    Gogela
    Epic Ganking Time
    CODE.
    #27 - 2012-04-09 20:49:20 UTC
    LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked! Lol

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    Liang Nuren
    No Salvation
    Divine Damnation
    #28 - 2012-04-09 20:50:27 UTC
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    DelBoy Trades wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P


    Poor bastard. Lol

    -Liang

    I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
    Arzaiuc
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #29 - 2012-04-09 21:45:31 UTC
    Gogela wrote:
    LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked! Lol


    The answers are very vague and do as much as possible to answer nothing conclusively.
    Malcanis
    Vanishing Point.
    The Initiative.
    #30 - 2012-04-09 21:52:09 UTC
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    DelBoy Trades wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P



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    Liang Nuren
    No Salvation
    Divine Damnation
    #31 - 2012-04-09 21:58:37 UTC
    Malcanis wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    DelBoy Trades wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P



    Welcome to EVE-O


    FTFY, YWIA

    I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
    Large Collidable Object
    morons.
    #32 - 2012-04-09 22:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    DelBoy Trades wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.
    • [/list].

    If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.


    YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticCryCryCryOops

    This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. P



    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered - personally, I don't mind if you just flatly reimburse all 4 BC skills to V with or without racial cruiser III because I have BC V and all races cruisers on V on all relevant characters.

    As a matter of fact, however, I will end up with 6 million additional SP either way unless you decrease the skills ranks, which increases my clone costs for no benefit at all.

    Edit for clarification: I have BC V for Canes and Caldari Cruiser V for the Gila - whatever reimbursement option you pick out of the current ones, I will get Caldari BC V - however, I have never flown a Drake or Ferox and probably never will - yet I will end up with 1.5 mill additional SP in Caldari BC V.
    (Just an example - for others, it may be Caldari Cruiser IV to train Caldari BS for the Nightmare without any intent to ever fly a DRAEK - or just imagine the amount of people who have BC V for the Cane and trained up Gallente Cruiser IV/V for the Cynabal and Mach without any intent to ever fly a Brutix or Myrm - all their clones will be bloated...).
    You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
    Ranger 1
    Ranger Corp
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    #33 - 2012-04-09 22:04:36 UTC
    Arzaiuc wrote:
    Gogela wrote:
    LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked! Lol


    The answers are very vague and do as much as possible to answer nothing conclusively.


    He gave a link to the options being considered.

    A lot of discussion went on concerning it and linking it was actually the best possible reply.

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    Sentinel Smith
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #34 - 2012-04-09 22:31:18 UTC
    The solution for me is two fold and simple..

    First, BC and Destroyer skills should be split all 4 ways, everyone should get the racial version of all 4.. like it or not.

    Second, you should in your training queue, be given the option to DELETE a skill, and all related SP. You don't get it back, to spend elsewhere, it's just gone. Poof.

    That makes the people worried about their medclones happy.
    That makes the people worried about their skill page having one offs happy.
    That makes the people worried about their skips they might not be able to fly happy.

    Everyone is happy.
    Liang Nuren
    No Salvation
    Divine Damnation
    #35 - 2012-04-09 23:21:05 UTC
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang

    I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
    Karl Hobb
    Imperial Margarine
    #36 - 2012-04-09 23:30:29 UTC
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    ITT: a bunch of dipshits who fail at critical thinking.

    A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
    Alara IonStorm
    #37 - 2012-04-09 23:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
    Liang Nuren wrote:

    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang

    They really are trying. I sent an E-Mail asking about this then went outside for a Cigarette.

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    Sasha Azala
    Doomheim
    #38 - 2012-04-09 23:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Large Collidable Object wrote:

    Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -


    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    -Liang



    They did say that, but also they said they were looking at two main options (ones they listed).

    1) If you have destroyer V and BC V, you would get all the racial ones at 5.

    2) Have destroyer at V and BC at V, plus all racial cruisers at III.


    Both of the above does not mean you can fly a Command ship for instance, but from what they've said you should get racial destroyer and BC all at V.




    I'm training for option 2 (11 days left until I've completed it).



    Problem is being able to fly and options 1 and 2 don't actually go together as the skill tree is atm, which is why people probably feel it's not clear how they're going to change it.
    Xercodo
    Cruor Angelicus
    #39 - 2012-04-09 23:34:38 UTC
    Karl Hobb wrote:
    Liang Nuren wrote:
    Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

    ITT: a bunch of dipshits who fail at critical thinking.


    Pretty much, although I'm unsure that we should go so far as pointing out that they fail at critical thinking....perhaps just plain thinking appears out of their league as well.

    At the same time the ones who might actually be thinking properly still haven't clarified what it is they feel is lacking in the current answer so they get to get piled in with the rest of the idiots.

    The Drake is a Lie
    Karl Hobb
    Imperial Margarine
    #40 - 2012-04-09 23:42:44 UTC
    Xercodo wrote:
    Pretty much, although I'm unsure that we should go so far as pointing out that they fail at critical thinking....perhaps just plain thinking appears out of their league as well.

    At the same time the ones who might actually be thinking properly still haven't clarified what it is they feel is lacking in the current answer so they get to get piled in with the rest of the idiots.

    I tend to generalize while shitposting at the office in order to get actual work done. My apologies.

    A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.