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How risky is to live in C3?

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Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#21 - 2012-04-09 01:09:54 UTC
Altivs Obvisivs wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos."


Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes?


IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols.

C2 and higher though I would only use a large.
VegasMirage
Did he say Jump
WE FORM BL0B
#22 - 2012-04-09 13:27:27 UTC
imo a c3 is the more dangerous of all classes if you're NOT looking for PvP. Many wormhole PvPers realize C3 residents must either fly shinny solo or dual box crappy BS's in order to realize the isk/hour reward [which sucks btw just run incursions]

Many PvP corps/alliances love having higher class wh's with C3 statics for 2 reasons, the possibility of getting out to a low sec or hi sec exits and ofc the high probability people will be running sleepers solo or very small gang without logi.

Also, you're idea of building dreads and caps will not deter PvPers, but in our case attract us to drop sleepers in your wh.



no more games... it's real this time!!!

Waylan Yutani
SkyLark Insurgency
#23 - 2012-04-09 14:07:43 UTC
If you want to live solo in a class 3 wh, you need a medium tower, a hangar array and a ship maint array. Then you need a **** ton of hardeners and ecm modules on your tower to make it as sucky to kill ass possible and a few guns and a disruptor to deter anyone from setting up a solo sentry domi on your pos. You could go for a large tower, but large towers uses more fuel a month than a medium does.


You will need two or three characters in your wh. One "keymaster" thats safed up in your wh with a probe launcher, and one character that does all the other stuff (anoms, hauls, mines) - if your main is bubbled up and killed in your hole, you still have a way to getting back there with your second alt there to probe you an entrance.



To solo c3 anoms you need either a t3, CS or a bs. I used a legion and nh to clear the anoms in a reasonble quick time (roughly 114m/hr on a good day). and a stabbed noctis with inert stabs for a quick gtfo. Also nice to have is a bomber to kill off any intruder (log off in one outside scanning range of nearby planets).

Get used to use your d-scanner.... alot, set it to 360 degree - max range. press it every three or four second or faster if your paranoid :-) D-scan must only show ships, probes and nothing else (no cans, no pos modules or nothing



If someone finds a way to your hole, safe up and take a a two hour break, but know that any trespassers will prob be back later to take a look if you are active or not (if they are pvpers). I'd usually just log in a bomber and relog later.


If someone want to evict you from your wh. First thing they'll do is kill of the guns and disruptor module, then bubble up your pos with large t2 bubbles to prevent you from warping in and out of your pos with valuable assets. If your tower gets rf'ed (reinforced) you will no longer have access to your hangar array(!) so if you have anything valuable, put it in your blockade runner (and you'll need one of those if you have a static lowsec!).

Only have exactly what you need in your hole to minimize your losses if anyone want to take your shineys; ships, ammo, sleeper lewt etc.

Wormholing is prob more safe than mining in hisec atm... believe it or not :-)

Only time i got ganked in w-space was when i i asked for it and hang outside my pos trying to put ammo in my offlined guns like a boss Roll




Bernie Nator
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2012-04-09 16:07:27 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Altivs Obvisivs wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos."


Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes?


IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols.

C2 and higher though I would only use a large.


Even in a c1, you want large. Remember, a battleship can be built in 8 hours.
marie claude
Space Underground
Silent Infinity
#25 - 2012-04-09 16:19:27 UTC
Temerit wrote:
Would you even be able to jump a Nyx out of a c3?




no
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#26 - 2012-04-09 17:18:25 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Altivs Obvisivs wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos."


Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes?


IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols.

C2 and higher though I would only use a large.


Even in a c1, you want large. Remember, a battleship can be built in 8 hours.


Risk vs reward If someone wanted to take down my med tower in that way for my c1 I would just pack up and gtfo. C1's are a dime a dozen.
Bernie Nator
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#27 - 2012-04-09 17:52:54 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Altivs Obvisivs wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos."


Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes?


IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols.

C2 and higher though I would only use a large.


Even in a c1, you want large. Remember, a battleship can be built in 8 hours.


Risk vs reward If someone wanted to take down my med tower in that way for my c1 I would just pack up and gtfo. C1's are a dime a dozen.

That's not even mentioning all the BC someone can get in. and the hole control. LArge pos is the way to go.
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#28 - 2012-04-09 18:24:57 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
That's not even mentioning all the BC someone can get in. and the hole control. LArge pos is the way to go.


To each his own. Given the isk potential and risk factors, I still say a medium is fine. I just moved out of a C1 after 6 months with a med minnie and never had a lick of trouble.

Have you ever bashed a tower in a C1? It's annoying as crap. So someone has to have a serious hardon for you, or extremely bored to bother.

With the new online timers you can load up even a medium with a crapton of mods and online stuff as fast as they incap them.

With 1-2 pos gunners you can put a serious hurt on a BC fleet. Especially if they are nice enough to bring some Tier 3 BC's. I don't care how good their logi is, some manned guns can alpha right through a Tier 3 BC's buffer.

Either way, yes large is always the best for defense. But I have found a medium to be an acceptable solution for C1's Granted ANYTHING else (C2 or higher) I wouldn't bother with anything but a large.
Bernie Nator
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2012-04-09 19:49:10 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
That's not even mentioning all the BC someone can get in. and the hole control. LArge pos is the way to go.


To each his own. Given the isk potential and risk factors, I still say a medium is fine. I just moved out of a C1 after 6 months with a med minnie and never had a lick of trouble.

Have you ever bashed a tower in a C1? It's annoying as crap. So someone has to have a serious hardon for you, or extremely bored to bother.

With the new online timers you can load up even a medium with a crapton of mods and online stuff as fast as they incap them.

With 1-2 pos gunners you can put a serious hurt on a BC fleet. Especially if they are nice enough to bring some Tier 3 BC's. I don't care how good their logi is, some manned guns can alpha right through a Tier 3 BC's buffer.

Either way, yes large is always the best for defense. But I have found a medium to be an acceptable solution for C1's Granted ANYTHING else (C2 or higher) I wouldn't bother with anything but a large.

When we did it, it wasn't too bad. Mostly because we set up quickly and quietly, built our battleships fast, and then ran straight at the towers. They were so surprised, they had a self destruction party and then were nice enough to hand over their caps so we could tear it down even faster. In return, we let them take one orcaload and whatever ship they were in out.

On a side note, I can say I flew a dread in a c1. How fun!
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#30 - 2012-04-09 22:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Bernie Nator wrote:
When we did it, it wasn't too bad. Mostly because we set up quickly and quietly, built our battleships fast, and then ran straight at the towers. They were so surprised, they had a self destruction party and then were nice enough to hand over their caps so we could tear it down even faster. In return, we let them take one orcaload and whatever ship they were in out.

On a side note, I can say I flew a dread in a c1. How fun!


If someone wants to go through that much trouble to bash a POS more power to them.

I would have loved to see them squeeze that loaded orca out of the C1 as well.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-09 22:56:04 UTC
for any c1-4 WH, get a large tower (not a god damn medium....) fit a handful of medium guns, 2-3 neuts, some tackle and fully dickstar it.
you can get something like 40 online ECM and 30-40 online damps on a large POS.
given any attackers can't bring dreads, 99% of them won't want to touch a fully decked out **** star with a barge pole.

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Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#32 - 2012-04-09 23:18:45 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
for any c1-4 WH, get a large tower (not a god damn medium....) fit a handful of medium guns, 2-3 neuts, some tackle and fully dickstar it.
you can get something like 40 online ECM and 30-40 online damps on a large POS.
given any attackers can't bring dreads, 99% of them won't want to touch a fully decked out **** star with a barge pole.


Unless you're getting paid to do it right? Blink
Bernie Nator
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2012-04-09 23:24:37 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
for any c1-4 WH, get a large tower (not a god damn medium....) fit a handful of medium guns, 2-3 neuts, some tackle and fully dickstar it.
you can get something like 40 online ECM and 30-40 online damps on a large POS.
given any attackers can't bring dreads, 99% of them won't want to touch a fully decked out **** star with a barge pole.


Unless you're getting paid to do it right? Blink

Some people do it for fun. ;)
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#34 - 2012-04-09 23:34:13 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
for any c1-4 WH, get a large tower (not a god damn medium....) fit a handful of medium guns, 2-3 neuts, some tackle and fully dickstar it.
you can get something like 40 online ECM and 30-40 online damps on a large POS.
given any attackers can't bring dreads, 99% of them won't want to touch a fully decked out **** star with a barge pole.


Unless you're getting paid to do it right? Blink

Some people do it for fun. ;)



Missed the joke, but that's ok.
drdxie
#35 - 2012-04-09 23:55:11 UTC
I have lived solo in a C3. Sole meaning just RL me, and dual boxed. 2 Drakes will do just fine running the anoms, its not optimal, but it works. Once you get loads of isk, you can upgrade to tengu's, they don't have to be faction fit to work. Use a large POS, the one I was in had all the planets for the PI, so only had to bring in the stuff I couldn't PI. 3 bustard loads a month is all I needed. Put as many shield hardners as you can, unless you are a POS gunner, having loads of guns, ecm etc is pretty useless. Fill your stront bay. Learn to love dscan. Have basic scan alt off you main account in the wh for when you get podded, because you will at some stage. Keep all your fancy loot etc in HS. If you have a carrier in the wh, keep it in the hangar.
I enjoyed my time in the C3, once you move up, you need corpies/friends, and your time is no longer your own. Join a wh alliance, or at least become blue to them , it helps to have help when you need it, and you get to join them in some pvp also.
Always have your sig's scanned down, its good to know whats out there.
i wouldn't bother with carrier til you have been in the hole for e few months, no point building a carrier and 2 months down the line deciding wh'ing is not for you... it takes work to keep it safe

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-04-10 01:55:49 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
for any c1-4 WH, get a large tower (not a god damn medium....) fit a handful of medium guns, 2-3 neuts, some tackle and fully dickstar it.
you can get something like 40 online ECM and 30-40 online damps on a large POS.
given any attackers can't bring dreads, 99% of them won't want to touch a fully decked out **** star with a barge pole.


Unless you're getting paid to do it right? Blink


sure, narwhals might take a contract to kill it but it is the single most expensive thing you can hire them for.

There is no Bob.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2012-04-10 18:28:13 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Small, Med vs Large depends on what you are trying to protect. A small POS is fine if you understand that occasionally someone is going to reinforce the POS and possibly destroy it. In a C3 it's unlikely to last 6 months. In a C1 it will last longer, but with the tier 3 BC C1s are much less safe. (How safe is going to depend on your static. Systems with static HS connections are less safe for POSs as general rule.) This is fine if you are only using the small POS to store sleeper loot for a couple of days before transporting it to HS. Medium POS tend not to be worth it as they don't have the resources to field a good defense and do anything else. Most long term residents prefer the standard d*ckstar, lots of resists, or lots of ecm POS. If you aren't living in a system that allows dreads to easily transit a heavily defended POS is generally avoided unless you make yourself a target.


In general carriers aren't very good at soloing sleeper sites. Your fighters will have trouble hitting even the battleships without a lot of help. Plus sleepers eat drones for breakfast. Not to mention that you'll be massive target for even the most carebear of corps. (Even the average w-space miner wants a carrier killmail. ) It can work with a corp to back you up. Carriers tank sleeper spawns really well, and can rep BC, and HACs which are under tanked. With a good corp you can have people on all wormholes, and someone probing. A lot of C5-6 corps run their sites with Dreads, Carriers, and T3s, and a fair number of c1-4 corps have a carrier or 2 for running local sites and defense.


PS- Get a hanger array, and don't leave Orcas and carriers floating in the force field. You might think the display of a carrier would scare people off, but it tends to just give them dreams of a carrier killmail. Orcas make people think u are mining carebears.


Has nothing to do with the class of the wormhole whatsoever. Has to do with where the static leads to. Static to hi's get jacked the most for obvious reasons.

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