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newb Exploration question

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Zultak Zanzabar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-08 21:41:39 UTC
So I have been trying my hand at exploration on my trial account. So far, I have been 5 for 5 with only finding Unstable Wormholes in 0.8 or 0.9 space. Am I looking in the wrong places? Or just really unlucky so far? With my limited skills, it takes 10 to 15 minutes to track down a site and it is frustrating to finally pinpoint it to discover its yet another worthless (for me) wormhole.

Any suggestions?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2012-04-08 23:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Just unlucky, I'm afraid.

Try getting off the beaten track. Look for systems with low numbers of jumps.

A few questions:
Are you using Core or Combat probes. Because you should be using Core when scanning for signatures. far higher strength.
Are you using the scanning frigate for your faction? The bonus it has can be significant
If you have the ISK or LP for it, get Sisters core probes. +10% strength is nice.
If you're not looking for combat sites, you can abandon an 'unknown' signature by 25% strength. As those are only combat sites and wormholes.
Are you using 4 probes, on the points of a three sided pyramid? The other option is a diamond. Works better for some people.
Do you know about using alt and shift when adjusting your probes? One will move them all at once. the other will resize the pattern around the central point.
Longshot - you can recall your probes to reset the timer on them. I've met someone that didn't know this.

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Nymph Purchasing
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-09 13:38:26 UTC
It is luck, but what you are experiencing is not terribly unusual either.

Most types of sites you scan, you clear, and they despawn and something else spawns a few systems away. Wormholes, however, actually take effort or waiting a lot more time to despawn making wormholes seem to occur more frequently than other sites.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-04-09 14:02:37 UTC
Nymph Purchasing wrote:
It is luck, but what you are experiencing is not terribly unusual either.

Most types of sites you scan, you clear, and they despawn and something else spawns a few systems away. Wormholes, however, actually take effort or waiting a lot more time to despawn making wormholes seem to occur more frequently than other sites.


There's also a fuckload of wormholes. There's probably as many wormholes as there are other types of sites combined (or close to it).

Your chances of finding non-wormhole sites will increase significantly if you move to less populated parts of space.
Zultak Zanzabar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-10 15:01:05 UTC
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Sounds like I just need to be patient and plugging away.
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#6 - 2012-04-10 15:39:04 UTC
start scanning in .5's .6's and .7's

Dont just stick to one kind of a system.

Just keep training up your supporting skills for probing those cut down on scan times.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-04-10 15:52:54 UTC
Exploring is quite a random-luck profession, some days you can find a pristine radar site and loot millions with little trouble, others you'll find nothing but a few worthless salvage parts left-over by those who visited the site before you but didn't clear it.

However, to improve the time needed to scan down a sig to a 100 percent, there's no secret, train astrometric (pinpointing/rangefinding/acquisition) to 4 at least and use the frigate of your race with bonuses to scan strength, fitted with gravity capacitor rigs and sister core scanning probes (not the combat ones, but those only fit in an expanded launcher anyway). It's about the best you can do when you're just beginning.
Later on you can find implants providing a boost in scan strength, scan time, or such, from LP stores such as SOE if you do some missions for them, but the Epic arc doesn't provide any LP point however.

Use dotlan when you enter a system, to have an idea of the recent activity, that can help deciding if it's worth giving it a try. If there's been a lot of jumps and NPC kills in the past 24h, you can assume it's better to move on than fire the probes.

Like others said, don't walk the beaten paths but pack a lot of patience when you head out.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Zultak Zanzabar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-18 14:29:04 UTC
So, I am nearing the end of my trial period and have continued to pursue exploration as an income source. I have trained the skills needed and have gotten pretty good at pinpointing the signals in a reasonable amount of time. I have made it a point to travel to low populated sectors to scan in. However, in the nearly twenty times I have done this so far I have yet to find anything other than unstable wormholes and rat's nests. As a newb, I am still frustrated by the ISK and time I spent learning Archeology and Hacking. I have yet to use either of those skills outside the tutorial missions. I intend to keep at it but it would be nice to at least OCCASIONALLY get something worthwhile to explore. The only consolation so far has been I am making a little bit of money on the rat bounties and loot drops from the nests that I have been able to handle.

If any of the DEVS read this, it might be worthwhile to tinker with the spawn percentages of anomolies in high sec. The chance to spawn unstable wormholes might need to be reduced a bit.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-04-18 14:59:26 UTC
All cosmic sigs and anoms, have a lifetime, that lifetime can be shortened by the players, clearing a radar site, crushing a wormhole, clearing an anom, etc.
I know the frustration, I've been exploring a lot too in my early days, even visited w-space in lol-fitted frigates or cruisers, taught me to stay alert and gtfo, with a bit of newb-luck maybe.
But there's a lot of people exploring systems and basically doing just that day long, so you keep competing with others to find the sites first. In that particular domain, further away from the beaten paths, better chances you have. If you remain close to your starter system, expect other new players to go the same route you do, if you get close to market hubs or higher sec systems, you're more likely to see the sistes cleared before you. Roam the fringes of high sec, systems without stations, systems close to lowsec or null, maybe leave gallente space for some time and try your luck in caldari space or any other. We can't help you much with exploration sites, if no one finds them, they "expire" after a few days and spawn in another system.
You might want to consider other occupations for crappy days when nothing interesing shows up.
Sorry if it doesn't sound appealing, but there's nothing skills or equipment can do about it, some systems can have 3 radar and a mag site along with 2 wormholes and 5 anoms, others can have only a drone infestation... Exploration is really a random activity, but don't give up, there's a lot of systems to explore, can't be damned forever :)

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