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a comment with fanfest

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Hesidak Uroboroon
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-08 22:51:26 UTC
I loved fanfest this year, but there was only one thing that dissapointed me and that was the public speaking skills of some of the presenters. Now don't think for one second that this is making me not love fanfest and eve and everything related to it in all of its entirety, but some people watching recordings on youtube and the rest of the lawless void called the internet might be thrown from eve because they can't take a presenter seriously because they can't speak in front of a crowd. Just some advice, because i have seen some nasty comments on the youtube recordings of fanfest presentations about the speaking skills of some presenters, and even though most of the people you find on youtube are idiots they may have been potential players before they saw that.

The U.S. Navy has developed a railgun that can hit a target the size of a watermelon from about 200km away.  its probably around 8,000 years in the future, we can go faster then light, be immortal, teleport capital ships, communicate instantly, mine asteroids and make ships invisible,yet still our railguns can't even hit a massive spaceship over 100km....

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2012-04-08 22:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
protip:

Neckbeards and self-proclaimed "lawyers" should remain in their basements, and have no place speaking in front of a real life audience in a CCP/EVE promotional capacity.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Shalia Ripper
#3 - 2012-04-08 22:57:02 UTC
Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:
I loved fanfest this year, but there was only one thing that dissapointed me and that was the public speaking skills of some of the presenters. Now don't think for one second that this is making me not love fanfest and eve and everything related to it in all of its entirety, but some people watching recordings on youtube and the rest of the lawless void called the internet might be thrown from eve because they can't take a presenter seriously because they can't speak in front of a crowd. Just some advice, because i have seen some nasty comments on the youtube recordings of fanfest presentations about the speaking skills of some presenters, and even though most of the people you find on youtube are idiots they may have been potential players before they saw that.



Are they professional public speakers/actors? No.

What a moronic complaint.

If someone is turned off of EvE because a programmer/marketer/CEO is not a polished speaker, screw em. We don't want them to be TED speakers, we want a good game from them. If they were great speakers and bad game designers/artists/coffee fetchers, we would all be playing something else.

Get it now?

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non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#4 - 2012-04-08 23:43:44 UTC
I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-08 23:50:50 UTC
Shalia Ripper wrote:
Are they professional public speakers/actors? No.

What a moronic complaint.

If someone is turned off of EvE because a programmer/marketer/CEO is not a polished speaker, screw em. We don't want them to be TED speakers, we want a good game from them. If they were great speakers and bad game designers/artists/coffee fetchers, we would all be playing something else.

Get it now?


Yeah I understand nerdy computer geeks are the stereotypical poor public speaker. But don't tell me that there isn't a single person who works on EVE and knows the gameplay that can give a competent presentation. I mean have you seen kil2 and other players commentating on the alliance tournament? They are light years ahead of the CCP presenters and I'd wager kil2 knows 10x more about EVE than any CCP developer.

Some presentations were great, CCP Sreegs for one, compare his stuff to some of the others. Some of the presentations given by CCP were downright embarrassing for a professional company.

No seriously, if anyone were to give that presentation in college or even high school for a project, they'd fail. It's 2012 and CCP employees don't know how to work powerpoint or speak to a group of people and even worse CCP puts those people onto a giant video stage *facepalm*. And the fact that people paid to see such horribly unprepared presentations, that's a ripoff CCP.
Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-08 23:57:26 UTC
Your tears are delicious.

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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#7 - 2012-04-09 00:04:25 UTC
You're right.

Resign Hilmar!!

Never too late to make amends for Incarna.
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#8 - 2012-04-09 00:17:19 UTC
non judgement wrote:
I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions.


I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round.
besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue...

don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations.
D3F4ULT
#9 - 2012-04-09 00:28:15 UTC
I'd rather have the honest opinion, expressions, and reactions of the developers themselves on a almost, one on one with the crowd. Not some rehearsed bullshit without real reactions. This is how fanfest has always worked.

There was at least two presentations that the Speakers seemed to be either hungover pretty much or just blatantly didn't know what his presentation was about. Other than that, this years round of presentations were far more interesting for me to watch and certainly considering on getting the HD stream if I can't go next time around.

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"

non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#10 - 2012-04-09 03:11:09 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
non judgement wrote:
I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions.


I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round.
besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue...

don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations.
I'm not underestimating "the power of fine oratory". I'm just not expecting them to be more than what they are. If they were the leaders of our world, it would be nice if they had great command and grace, in front of a crowd. They are only game developers. I expect them to be great at making games, not public speaking.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-09 03:33:17 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
non judgement wrote:
I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions.


I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round.
besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue...

don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations.


There was this guy, He was german....
GREAT speaker, not so great a guy tho

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Serene Repose
#12 - 2012-04-09 04:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Mark this up to the decline of the West. There was a time, oh so long ago, when one was required to obtain skill in penmanship and oratory - some modicum of public speaking ability. These were marks of accomplished people, and a standard one strove to meet during one's schooling. You're now in the midst of the self-indulgent generations who place the "I" before the "we."

"Why should I be bothered to learn these things when my career as a computer geek will never require me to use them?" So, yes, we're supposed to be charmed by the awkward communication skills of those whose "genius" lies in other more "useful" areas. But, doesn't this view rather limit the expectations of potential? It's not as though people who know they're doing public presentations once a year couldn't take the time out to actually learn how to do it. It's not rocket science. It's just that they don't place emphasis on it as being significant...any old thing will do.

Does it damage anything? If you place no importance on aesthetics, and are purely utilitarian in your outlook, probably not so you'd notice. If you've looked out your window lately and noticed Western Civ's habitations are a shade on the ugly side across the board, and wonder why, this aesthetic thing may have something to do with it.

Speaking of YouTube...those people who do those homemade vids in their bedrooms or the room their computer happens to be in, are inadvertantly showing what really poor decorators they are. Mintchip, for instance, often has a bookcase behind her with all the books in a stack, or falling over. Once she had a drawer that wouldn't close 'cause some lacy thing was poking out of it. It's evidence they're not looking at their surroundings with an appraising eye, as though they're part of the whole. Yet, they are.

Everyone's free to downplay it. "So what?" Or, to wonder why the complete picture is so far from the presenter's vision. Don't they think about what they're doing before they do it? Of course not. If you're a computer whiz, all you're worried about is did you get the camera to work? Is the sound coming through? But, you're using a camera to create a visual image. You're using the sound in the same way. Production values are intended to increase the aesthetic value of the image involved.

So, we make our mark. Is it elegant, and beautiful? Dynamic? Powerful? "I am," comes the response, "'cause what I'm saying is so knowledgeable." Or, is it wall to wall aesthetic trash marking our place in cultural history as the ones who threw aesthetics out the window. I guess it all depends on standards of excellence. I wouldn't call CCP's contribution to aesthetic value "awesome." But, then, that's a word that gets tossed around so much it's lost its value, too.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Senshi Hawk
Tritanium Industries and Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-04-09 04:08:24 UTC
That's like saying you expect the women at Comicon to be as sexually attractive as the fantasy characters that they portray.
Serene Repose
#14 - 2012-04-09 06:06:40 UTC
Senshi Hawk wrote:
That's like saying you expect the women at Comicon to be as sexually attractive as the fantasy characters that they portray.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-09 13:05:29 UTC

There was this guy, He was german....
GREAT speaker, not so great a guy tho[/quote]


Actually this guy you speak of was Austrian by birth and a failed artist.

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-04-09 13:20:13 UTC
I have no problem with the way the presenters speak at Fanfest. For some of them English is not their primary language but I can understand them just fine and they do a great job of getting the information accross. What I do have a problem with is people "gulping" water every 5 seconds and trying to inhale the mic all the time.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

kakmonstret
Domain Mining and Trading Corp
#17 - 2012-04-09 13:24:55 UTC
Ehh I have now seen the videos on youtube. Are the presentations skills laking here and there yes. Is it a serious problem? IMHO no! The message comes across and for me it's much more important that the right person presents something. The right person is the one that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

What they say is much more important how they say it. This is not meant to be selling or convincing talks they are not running for president!!!

Every time you ask for more "polish" you get less spontaneous communication and you increase the risk of devs saying "I won't do that presentation I'm not good enough for it". I would guess that already happens today with is a total shame. Demands like yours only risks to make fanfest less interesting.

About the crap about training, well speaking in front of a lot of people is also very much a question of getting used to it. It may be news to you but doing several times at fanfest is a great way of doing that.

Don't make fanfest worse by silly things like this, Youtubers being youtubers aren't news either they will always complain about this or that.
Prince Kobol
#18 - 2012-04-09 13:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
The only legit complaint anybody could have about fanfest was the problems they were having with the mics when taking questions from the audience.

Hopefully next year they have a better system in place
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#19 - 2012-04-09 14:00:49 UTC
Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:
I loved fanfest this year, but there was only one thing that dissapointed me and that was the public speaking skills of some of the presenters. Now don't think for one second that this is making me not love fanfest and eve and everything related to it in all of its entirety, but some people watching recordings on youtube and the rest of the lawless void called the internet might be thrown from eve because they can't take a presenter seriously because they can't speak in front of a crowd. Just some advice, because i have seen some nasty comments on the youtube recordings of fanfest presentations about the speaking skills of some presenters, and even though most of the people you find on youtube are idiots they may have been potential players before they saw that.


You mean...they were real human beings??!!??

I'll alert the village elders, you get the pitchforks.

I won't have real human beings showing normal behavior when speaking in front of a crowd on my mother fuckin' watch!

AK

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Shalia Ripper
#20 - 2012-04-10 06:00:51 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
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Did you notice that the most polished speaker (the new Marketing guy) was the one that imparted the LEAST amount of useful information? Public speaking is not about education, it is about obfuscation. I was trained to speak publicly many years ago. When I decided to forget all I was taught I actually started getting actual points across.

Unlike your ramblings.

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