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Agility:Speed ratio for proper orbit?

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Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-09 02:39:53 UTC
I was playing around in EFT and came up with this. Yes, it is an overpriced piece of nonsense, but the purpose is to have an utterly invincible PVP fit, so you have to look outside the norm. It goes 4000/ms and has 15s align time and does 300 DPS.

The question is, can it orbit an opponent and keep them properly pointed? (30k Warp Disruptor Optimal)

Quote:

[Tengu, Oversized MWD Tengu]
Reactor Control Unit II
Brynn's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#2 - 2012-04-09 04:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: nahjustwarpin
faction and officer modules on a fit for pvp?? you want to be like that vindicator guy and land on eve-kill aswell?
Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-09 04:29:41 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
faction and officer modules on a fit for pvp?? you want to be like that vindicator guy and land on eve-kill aswell?


The Officer Reactor Control can be dropped if you don't mind not having a full set of pvp implants.

But anyways, how (assuming I have a scout) do you plan on catching me? Can you go 4000 m/s while double webbed?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-04-09 04:56:51 UTC
Arzaiuc wrote:
The question is, can it orbit an opponent and keep them properly pointed? (30k Warp Disruptor Optimal)


Yes, it can.
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-09 05:09:43 UTC
That with a snake set. 5076 m/s with my skills.
Get Loki boost and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

Now. Why a Tengu ? Why not do something stupid with a Cynabal. Or some other super fast ship to begin with ?


[Tengu, 100mn mwd]
Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#6 - 2012-04-09 05:34:28 UTC
Arzaiuc wrote:
nahjustwarpin wrote:
faction and officer modules on a fit for pvp?? you want to be like that vindicator guy and land on eve-kill aswell?


The Officer Reactor Control can be dropped if you don't mind not having a full set of pvp implants.

But anyways, how (assuming I have a scout) do you plan on catching me? Can you go 4000 m/s while double webbed?


Hi, I am called mr. Rapier and me and my friends (generic dps support) wanted to ask you the exact same thing!

Now that I have had a second to take another look at your fit ... I think my friends are not actually needed... pretty much soloable...
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#7 - 2012-04-09 06:20:01 UTC
Quote:
the purpose is to have an utterly invincible PVP fit

Such a fit doesn't exist.

Before you pour even more ISK and brainpower into the concept, try out a cheaper version before you become someone's lolmail. Like really. This is the kind of question that needs to be answered by flying, not on the forum.

At least get a corpmate to duel you to armor or something.
stoicfaux
#8 - 2012-04-09 12:57:43 UTC
http://knol.google.com/k/chapter-i-ship-motion-in-eve-online?collectionId=2mdavnicxps8v.2# Skip down to the "Orbital Motion" section.

Plan B is to drop a can (or orbit a stopped/abandoned ship) and try to orbit it with a test ship of similar mass and speed as your pimped ship to see what your actual sustained speed is at a 30km orbit.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-09 19:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Arzaiuc
Thanks to the people who helped answer my question of whether or not it would be able to orbit :)

-What if you see a Rapier/10-Man Gang?
I wouldn't fly solo.

-Easily soloable
I wouldn't fight to the death if I was taking damage. I could easily disengage and warp off.

-Why not a cynabal?
I find artilleries to be awkward for kiting since they have bad tracking. Also, Intercalated Nanofibers

-Don't waste so much isk
2 billion isk is chump change, a month's in-game wages. I'd rather re-invest it than sit on top of an ever-increasing but useless wallet.
Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-09 19:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Arzaiuc
Bloutok wrote:


[Tengu, 100mn mwd]
Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


Also, thanks for the superior design.

I wouldn't have expected superior power gen without the power core multiplier. Only 1 faction reactor control is necessary though.
Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#11 - 2012-04-10 15:32:33 UTC
Comical that I spot this via google while building a similar fit for curiosities sake.

Loki boosts and snakes gets you ~11km/s overheated. While ironically being more agile than the 100mn AB fits since you can drop the fuel catalyst sub. In all honesty though, I'm not sure at what point speed ceases to matter/benefit you at all. You get 8.7 km/s without snakes, for all I know you're better off with Halo's ( 350 sig might be small enough that 9 km/s makes you stupid hard to hit? (haven't done the math)). Nomads get you down to a 8.3 sec align, which is actually retardedly good considering the speed you're zipping along at, but again...at what point do you stop caring about each second align gained?

It's all just theory craft though, and almost certainly a gimmick more than being actually useful. You're literally sacrificing 4-5 slots for fitting mods alone to pull it off, then eating cap boosters just to keep moving that fast. It leaves you with no real room for damage mods, basically none for tank. Imo, if you're serious about trying it out, just drop the webs. There's no way they'll be useful, as they'll force you to fight within bonused scram range, meaning inevitable death for you since the setup is left with nothing when that MWD gets turned off. Hell, an Arazu would be basically your worst nightmare in a fit like this, although momentum alone would probably pull you 80k or something stupid like that away. P Of course, you do have that warm feeling inside from being faster than (I think) any other conventional ship fit in the game. Big smile

Oh, as an aside, the only documented usage of a fit like this I can find is here:

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/CrucifixionIV_0001.wmv
Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#12 - 2012-04-10 15:39:03 UTC
Arzaiuc wrote:

-What if you see a Rapier/10-Man Gang?
I wouldn't fly solo.


Oh, it's also pretty unlikely you'll see the rapier if there is one before it's got webs on you. Cloaks and that. Also, a mildly pimped rapier with boosts webs out to a max of 108 km's. Probably something you should be aware of. Blink Imho, the only reason people can get away with speedy T3 fits like this is because the average gang is awful. They sure are glorious though when they work.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-04-10 15:59:23 UTC
The problem I see with high speed, bad agility and long point is that the target can easily break your orbit with o/h MWD and get away, or land webs + scram on you. With more enemy ships on field, maneuvering a freight train that goes bazillion m/s sounds quite risky.

I did this consistently in a Proteus, which is not the speediest ship around but does have extended tackle range, against my corpie's 100MN AB Tengu.

Yeah, links will make it better for you, but like said they can work either way.

Tengu is awesome enough with it's tank and damage projection in conventional setups anyway.

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Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#14 - 2012-04-11 10:10:38 UTC
Roime wrote:
bad agility.


With the 100mn MWD the OP is talking about, the agility isn't bad in the least. It's better than an MWD Bship in most cases. That intercalcated nanofiber subsystem is no joke. Of course...at those massive speeds, it'd still be easy to lose point, and web would likely be impossible.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-04-11 11:14:59 UTC
I reserve the right to declare this as a brainfart, but wouldn't having 2x the agility but also 2x the speed result in a similar turning radius as the AB version?


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