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Inherit the Stars.

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Pampers Toralen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-05 23:57:05 UTC
nice read
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#22 - 2012-04-06 00:08:08 UTC
I do have my that a jove race could be alot sooner than we think possible but thier ships and tech would not be the stuff of ledgends it would nearly match what we have now. I do welcome a 5th race.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-04-06 00:55:19 UTC
Nice post OP. I want a Jovian pet for my CQ now.

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Liam Neeson Never Dies
#24 - 2012-04-06 02:52:31 UTC
Good read thanks OP.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-06 03:20:28 UTC
Skorpynekomimi
#26 - 2012-04-06 05:31:12 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
You want new game play? Capsuleer incursions into jove space.

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What, like the wormhole incursions into sleeper space?

Capsuleers don't do incursions. We do MIGRATIONS. We don't attack in waves and then stop, we MOVE IN. We SETTLE. We harvest resources, bootstrap ourselves up to capital ships, and start farming the locals for their hull materials.

If a way was found into Jove space, the Jovians would leave.

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Black Dranzer
#27 - 2012-04-06 05:35:38 UTC
Abloobloo look at me I'm a jovian I'm smart enough to reverse engineer my own genetic code but not smart enough to keep from emoing myself to death

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-06 07:47:16 UTC
Nice surmise Nova - +1 easter egg to you.

The Jove have been quiet for a very long time now. It was never fully explained why they tried to send a diplomat in the first place all those years ago and the retreat back into themselves, bar a few sightings of battleships, has never been fully explained.
Sure the dipo ended up spread across the universe, but the Jove got most of him back. The capsuleers showing willing on their side yet the Jove just retreat and never retry a dialogue. Odd.

You are certainly right in the way our Tech has moved onward hugely since many of the 'incidents' involving Jove tech ships and capsuleers. The question though as to whether they have also moved upward is inconclusive and its conjecture to say not.

I think the question really is : Have the Jove succumbed to the illness.

After all its awful quiet out there nowadays.

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Kestrix
The Whispering
#29 - 2012-04-06 08:25:30 UTC
Have non of you watched clear skies? What clearer proof do you need that the Jove still exist!
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#30 - 2012-04-06 08:38:48 UTC
The Jove were never impossible to kill, in the battle of Van'koth it was not just 7 Jove ships, it was a lot of Jove frigs and I quote "The Jove countered with their smaller, faster frigates and cruisers" and it was finally their mothership that won the da

I will also point you to this text http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Battle_of_Vak%27Atioth_(Chronicle) were it actually originates from, many Jove ships were destroyed that day, even being outnumbered they still did win... moral of this post... Jove ships are superior, but not unbeatable, they were they were using fast ships and the amarr was using battleships... we all know how that would end today

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#31 - 2012-04-06 14:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Bubanni wrote:
The Jove were never impossible to kill, in the battle of Van'koth it was not just 7 Jove ships, it was a lot of Jove frigs and I quote "The Jove countered with their smaller, faster frigates and cruisers" and it was finally their mothership that won the da

I will also point you to this text http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Battle_of_Vak%27Atioth_(Chronicle) were it actually originates from, many Jove ships were destroyed that day, even being outnumbered they still did win... moral of this post... Jove ships are superior, but not unbeatable, they were they were using fast ships and the amarr was using battleships... we all know how that would end today


I really hate redactions. Original text said 1 mothership (in the context it was just a mobile 'colony ship' and 7 'support' ships which hinted at being frigates.

This could be the result of historians trying to make it seem a less of a disaster, maybe because of the influence of technology creep making the 7 ship defeating thousands just seem less likely nearly impossible. So Amarr historians went back and 'corrected' the problem.

The other distrubing redaction was the number of amarrian ships that where sent to reclaim the Jove. The newest version declares two thousand. not the 10,0000 ship disaster.

Then again it was the emperess' recently deceased father who led that disaster. What faithful amarrian historian wouldnt try to sanctify the Emperess' father?

The jovian mothership wasnt even extensly mentioned as a combatant in the original text the '7 frigates' did most of the work.

Also the 10,000 a larger portion of thier fleet, ship loss was a 'disater' by all rights becuase the amarrians didnt have enough ships afterwards stop the minmatar rebellion. The current article only mentions 200 ships. 200 Non capsuleer ships. It nearly took the same number of capsuleer battleships to sink a single 'damaged' jovian battleship and this is more than a hundred years after the battle of Vak'Atioth, Sarum never had just pathetically sized fleets and always had utilized larger fleets to get the job done.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#32 - 2012-04-06 16:03:37 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Have non of you watched clear skies? What clearer proof do you need that the Jove still exist!


Clear Skies is a movie produced by Gal Net and as any movie it doesnt reflect reality. How many jovians you saw in those movies?

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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#33 - 2012-04-08 08:54:56 UTC
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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#34 - 2012-04-08 23:16:18 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Face it people
Jove are no longer technologically superior to us.
We surpassed them wtihout notice
We are the authors to the future now


Our most advanced tech, our Strategic cruisers, can only be made through salvaging the technology we seize from the Sleepers. We still cannot create it from scratch, we are reliant upon what they left behind. We have not surpassed the Jove, we have simply shortened the gap in our capabilities.

I do not know if the Jove are still out there, it seems unlikely that they would all have died off in less than a decade since last formal contact. Are they still capable of being a power in New Eden? Who knows, perhaps not as they were. We know that the Jovians possess long life spans, despite the disease that plagues them. Their perception of time may have become quite different to our own, the passing of a decade might seem quite inconsequential to them.

If the Jove are truly gone, then CONCORD has likely chosen to suppress that information as it would weaken their authority over the other Empires. But if they are still out there, it would be very interesting to know what the Jovian Directorate has been doing all this time and why their Yulai embassy has been dark for so long, despite the authorisation of the Emergency Militia War Powers Act and the usage of Empyreans to fight a proxy war.

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