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Building new computer. What you think? Input appreciated

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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#21 - 2012-04-06 02:19:11 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
SSD definitely not worth the price.. for like $100 you basically get a boot drive.. the only advantages are faster windows boot times and maybe 1 game will be able to fit and be bit faster with loading.


You'd be surprised how responsive the PC feels with an SSD. Small file read/write, the most frequent HD activity, is something an SSD does faster than a HDD by a factor of 50+. That's almost 2 orders of magnitude.

Starting apps, simply 'doing stuff' feels a lot faster with an SSD.

This

I really can't push SSD (or at least hybrid) enough, it really does make the whole computer much more responsive for a relatively small cost increase

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Whitehound
#22 - 2012-04-06 10:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Reiisha wrote:
You'd be surprised how responsive the PC feels with an SSD. Small file read/write, the most frequent HD activity, is something an SSD does faster than a HDD by a factor of 50+. That's almost 2 orders of magnitude.

Starting apps, simply 'doing stuff' feels a lot faster with an SSD.

I am surprised to see that people actually still debate SSDs. I have mine for like two or three years now. Back then did everyone talk about it. My box still boots in 11s to the screen with it. When one wants to spend $1000 for a PC then it has to include an SSD or else you are missing out on a great experience. There is little point in getting an i7 and not having a fast storage device. One uses it for unpacking files, for audio and video encoding, as the boot drive, for frequently used documents, etc. With the introduction of SSDs into the mass market did the HDDs turn from storage devices into backup devices. Now one buys an SSD and just gets a slow, but huge HDD of 2-3 TBs for backup and mass storage.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#23 - 2012-04-06 12:14:34 UTC
Celtix Rhineheart wrote:
Already have a 32" monitor from ASUS with my current set up paid 400$ for it 2 months back.


Which one? I thought they only went to 27" on monitors...

This space for rent.

Reiisha
#24 - 2012-04-06 13:16:53 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Celtix Rhineheart wrote:
Any input would be appreciated i wont be buying this till next month though


Next month, everything changes...however:

Tower - kinda ugly, but w/e
MB - next month...
DVD - No blu-ray?
Processor - was updated last year to 2700, and, next month...
HDD - good for storage, poor for main. Go SSD for O/S and applications - the drive you've chosen would become a bottleneck.
RAM - 16 minimum....RAM is cheap right now, even 1600Mhz.
PSU - No comments to make other than reputation of CM is good.
SC - Never heard of it/them
GPU - 570 gets replaced next month by 2GB 670GTX. Fermi is two years old.

Long & Short: not bad, but not good. You'll be cursing the reflection in the mirror if you stayed with that exact spec in 30 days time.

AK


I guess my point was more that, even if you don't care about the newest most expensive parts, once next month comes around, all of the stuff your about to buy will all drop in price close to 40%. So whether you want the newest best thing, or want what you listed. it's a waste right now.


Prices won't go down that much on current stuff. The new stuff will be a lot more expensive, rather than the old getting cheaper - You won't be buying a 2500k for less than $170 anytime soon.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-04-06 13:37:41 UTC
64 GB or even smaller SSD
huge HDD
Ivy Bridge processor
Q77 or H77 or Z77 motherboard
"Smart Response Technology"
= = instant awesome huge hybrid drive !!!
Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-04-06 13:45:08 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
You won't be buying a 2500k for less than $170 anytime soon.

Pay 220$ for a i5 3570K which is better than a i7 2600K that costs 320$ because it uses less watts and has better graphic parts and no hyperthread uglynes and has the same speed per core.
Reiisha
#27 - 2012-04-06 20:27:40 UTC
Rajan Marelona wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
You won't be buying a 2500k for less than $170 anytime soon.

Pay 220$ for a i5 3570K which is better than a i7 2600K that costs 320$ because it uses less watts and has better graphic parts and no hyperthread uglynes and has the same speed per core.


The GPU's in either Sandy or Ivy bridge are rubbish. If you want to do any kind of gaming, get a discrete GPU. 2500k doesn't have HT either, but you don't need that anyway.

An i5 2500k is still about $170 and won't be dropping in price any time soon. The new ivy's are very nice, but there's not a very big reason to wait for them unless you're a tech junkie.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Celtix Rhineheart
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-07 07:16:39 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
This

I really can't push SSD (or at least hybrid) enough, it really does make the whole computer much more responsive for a relatively small cost increase


I think you just convinced me
Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-04-07 16:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rajan Marelona
A 2500k cost 170$, but a 2600k cost 320$ and none of them are down in price
So paying under 220$ for something better as a 2600k is very good for only a bit of waiting which the guy already said he is doing because he only wants it next month.

The graphics inside the processor are not very good for games, but they rock for video recompression, even better compared to a expensive video card.
The guy already list a GTX 570 in his build, so that is not a problem, he already has good game performance
ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#30 - 2012-04-08 13:11:59 UTC
Celtix Rhineheart wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
This

I really can't push SSD (or at least hybrid) enough, it really does make the whole computer much more responsive for a relatively small cost increase


I think you just convinced me

Good.
Just invest some time and educate yourself a bit about them.
There“s already a wealth of harebrained tips around, like partitioning it (as mentioned in this thread). Most of these are from the early beginnings of the tech more than 2 years ago.
The current and also the last generation(SATA II) of SSDs are pretty solid.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#31 - 2012-04-08 15:26:50 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
...The new ivy's are very nice, but there's not a very big reason to wait for them unless you're a tech junkie...


PCIe 3.0 (double the bandwidth of 2.0)
Triple-display support via Ivy Bridge CPU
Integrated USB 3.0

And that's just the MB...

The CPU, realistically, even though it beat the Super PI record is still not going to be more powerful out of the box (before overclocking) than the i7-3960X, it just can't be.

If Intel released a CPU better than the i7-3960X for 2/3rds the price, it wouldn't bode well for them.

Personally, I need to upgrade as I'm about 7 years behind on tech and have waited long enough for something new to hit the market, which is what IB is.

I could buy a complete system today based on SB, but what's the point when IB is just a few benchmarks and test reviews away from being released, with all of the above.

The only thing afaik that someone with an SB CPU could get is the PCIe 3.0 and USB 3.0, but would still have to buy a new MB...and I have no interest in taking a computer apart and rebuilding it.

AK

This space for rent.

Reiisha
#32 - 2012-04-08 18:07:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Reiisha
AlleyKat wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
...The new ivy's are very nice, but there's not a very big reason to wait for them unless you're a tech junkie...


PCIe 3.0 (double the bandwidth of 2.0
Triple-display support via Ivy Bridge CP
Integrated USB 3.

And that's just the MB..

The CPU, realistically, even though it beat the Super PI record is still not going to be more powerful out of the box (before overclocking) than the i7-3960X, it just can't be

If Intel released a CPU better than the i7-3960X for 2/3rds the price, it wouldn't bode well for them

Personally, I need to upgrade as I'm about 7 years behind on tech and have waited long enough for something new to hit the market, which is what IB is

I could buy a complete system today based on SB, but what's the point when IB is just a few benchmarks and test reviews away from being released, with all of the above

The only thing afaik that someone with an SB CPU could get is the PCIe 3.0 and USB 3.0, but would still have to buy a new MB...and I have no interest in taking a computer apart and rebuilding it

AK


For an 'enthusiast' casual user, those specs are wasted. A gtx 560 with a 2500k will serve you very well for the next couple of years. The CPU vastly outperforms any current game and anything that's in the works, at most you'd have to upgrade the gpu for a bit. As the ps3 and 360 still largely dictate game tech you simply don't need anything faster untill after a possible next gen console is released (which won't be untill 2014 at the earliest)

New hardware IS faster, but it doesn't really go much further than benchmarks which are absolutely pointless for the average user/gamer

That said, the ivy bridge GPU's are STILL crap. They can't even compete with budget gpu's from a few generations ago - Using them for anything other than pure office applications is currently pointless. I applaud the effort, but currently discrete gpu's are still a much better idea, especially since you can do the triple screen thing with a budget AMD card and soon the new budget 600 series cards from Nvidia aswell. Not to mention that to use the GPU on the CPU you need a much more expensive chipset to begin with which kind of compensates for the cost of a decent discrete budget card in the first place

Personally i'm running a 2500k on a P67 mobo. Overclocked it to 4GHz, but it didn't give me much gain - My current bottleneck seems to be my Radeon 6970 as far as gaming is concerned, my cpu has never broken any sweat whatsoever just yet, even when running 2 or 3 game clients at the same time (using an eyefinity setup here too by the way). I just don't see the point in holding out for new cpu's at the moment - Sandy bridges are absolutely awesome already. Yes, Ivy Bridge will be better, but the average user will not notice this at all, neither will the average or even enthusiast gamer.

Consumer CPU tech is running way past what's actually 'needed' nowadays. It'll take a while before the software actually starts making use of the current mid-end cpu's, let alone the new high-end stuff. Despite multi-core having become very popular since 2006, most software is STILL single-threaded, or has only rudimentary multicore support (2-4 threads at best). Waiting to buy the newest CPU is simply not necessary, especially since i expect the 2500k (imho by far the best buy at the moment for cpu's) won't drop in price untill mid next year at the earliest. The yields are stable and the cpu still sells like mad, Intel will be pricing the IB's up a bit due to this rather than price the SB's down. Given that AMD currently has nothing to compete with, Intel will be making use of the situation to recoup on some of their losses from the pricewar before the i-series was released

Unless you desperately want to use more than one monitor, a single gtx 560 or 570 will do very very nicely. The 600 series is currently massively overpowered and somewhat overpriced, it's not worth for the average used to wait for it - The 560 ti price is levelling out at the moment, it won't get that much cheaper, you'd save $20-30 at most unless you want to wait for the series AFTER the 600 series from Nvidia. AMD is also getting behind on the GPU tech at the moment aswell, hence the pricewar there won't be as critical as it was before now that Nvidia is taking over the top spot in the current cycle



As a general thought, "wait for the new hardware to come so the old gets cheaper" is a very old adagio that is self-perpetuating. After all, the hardware cycle moves at a VERY fast pace. Currently it has slowed down a bit since AMD is falling behind, but in general, there will ALWAYS be new hardware 'right around the corner'.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#33 - 2012-04-08 22:55:47 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Celtix Rhineheart wrote:
Already have a 32" monitor from ASUS with my current set up paid 400$ for it 2 months back.


Which one? I thought they only went to 27" on monitors...

It's called a TV at that size.

As for the ongoing discussion about SSD, well once you go SSD it's no going back, ever.
Celtix Rhineheart
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-09 08:12:44 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Celtix Rhineheart wrote:
Already have a 32" monitor from ASUS with my current set up paid 400$ for it 2 months back.


Which one? I thought they only went to 27" on monitors...

It's called a TV at that size.

As for the ongoing discussion about SSD, well once you go SSD it's no going back, ever.



Forgive me it is only 27".
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#35 - 2012-04-09 09:47:42 UTC
Reiisha wrote:

For an 'enthusiast' casual user, those specs are wasted. A gtx 560 with a 2500k will serve you very well for the next couple of years. The CPU vastly outperforms any current game and anything that's in the works, at most you'd have to upgrade the gpu for a bit. As the ps3 and 360 still largely dictate game tech you simply don't need anything faster until after a possible next gen console is released (which won't be until 2014 at the earliest)


True - but other than cost differences, why purchase old stock, when new stock is on the table?

Fermi is two years old and the 2500k is going EoL this year.

This space for rent.

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2012-04-09 10:40:22 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Reiisha wrote:

For an 'enthusiast' casual user, those specs are wasted. A gtx 560 with a 2500k will serve you very well for the next couple of years. The CPU vastly outperforms any current game and anything that's in the works, at most you'd have to upgrade the gpu for a bit. As the ps3 and 360 still largely dictate game tech you simply don't need anything faster until after a possible next gen console is released (which won't be until 2014 at the earliest)


True - but other than cost differences, why purchase old stock, when new stock is on the table?

Fermi is two years old and the 2500k is going EoL this year.


Even so, still the best bang for the buck in comparison which I was think was the whole point and as I can only speak for myself with an aging i7 920 and a more "up-to-date" 2500k that I built last year, the 2500k build was a mere fraction of what I paid for the 920 build, I know what I'd opt for even with newer stuff around the corner.

Depends on how Ivy Bridge is priced, of course but with all new technology I don't expect it to be cheap so it makes more sense for me to side-grade the 920 to another 2500k (or a 2600k even) and wait for Haswell and upgrade to a Ivy Bridge then.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#37 - 2012-04-09 13:51:00 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Depends on how Ivy Bridge is priced, of course but with all new technology I don't expect it to be cheap so it makes more sense for me to side-grade the 920 to another 2500k (or a 2600k even) and wait for Haswell and upgrade to a Ivy Bridge then.


Early rumors suggest hardly any difference in price between 3770k and 2700k, high end X extreeeeeeme editions are the ones that do not justify their price tag - professional technophiles only.

One thing you could do is simply get a the Z77 and plug all your bits into it. You'll get the PCIe 3.0 bandwidth for gaming/CGI and should you wish to upgrade your CPU to the latest; you can.

I hear the i5-3570K is going to be very interesting, price v performance.

This space for rent.

Reiisha
#38 - 2012-04-09 14:57:11 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Reiisha wrote:

For an 'enthusiast' casual user, those specs are wasted. A gtx 560 with a 2500k will serve you very well for the next couple of years. The CPU vastly outperforms any current game and anything that's in the works, at most you'd have to upgrade the gpu for a bit. As the ps3 and 360 still largely dictate game tech you simply don't need anything faster until after a possible next gen console is released (which won't be until 2014 at the earliest)


True - but other than cost differences, why purchase old stock, when new stock is on the table?

Fermi is two years old and the 2500k is going EoL this year.


Bolded for emphasis. If cost differences didn't matter everyone would get the most high end xxx version anyway ;p

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2012-04-09 14:58:06 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Depends on how Ivy Bridge is priced, of course but with all new technology I don't expect it to be cheap so it makes more sense for me to side-grade the 920 to another 2500k (or a 2600k even) and wait for Haswell and upgrade to a Ivy Bridge then.


Early rumors suggest hardly any difference in price between 3770k and 2700k, high end X extreeeeeeme editions are the ones that do not justify their price tag - professional technophiles only.

One thing you could do is simply get a the Z77 and plug all your bits into it. You'll get the PCIe 3.0 bandwidth for gaming/CGI and should you wish to upgrade your CPU to the latest; you can.

I hear the i5-3570K is going to be very interesting, price v performance.


True, but I also don't want to spend too much money on something that is going to be "outdated" with the next generation.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2012-04-09 16:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Your setup looks all good.

Here you can see my current setup.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

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