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Mattikus Hemah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-04-06 01:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mattikus Hemah
So I have been training up shield/missile skills in past few months and have become very comfortable doing L4s in a Drake, so the next logical step is the Raven right? I tried it with average skills and was disappointed, nearly same DPS as Drake and a tank I have to pay close attention to. trained it up almost to T2 (all except the launchers) and all support skills to 4 and still its not that much better than a drake, and not worth the trouble.

So should I just stick with Drake and go for something like a Tengu or a Nighthawk? or will the Raven/CNR line will pay in the end? my main concern here is DPS to blitz through the missions P and ofcourse decent tank.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-06 01:48:04 UTC
Mattikus Hemah wrote:
So I have been training up shield/missile skills in past few months and have become very comfortable doing L4s in a Drake, so the next logical step is the Raven right? I tried it with average skills and was disappointed, nearly same DPS as Drake and a tank I have to pay close attention to. trained it up almost to T2 (all except the launchers) and all support skills to 4 and still its not that much better than a drake, and not worth the trouble.

So should I just stick with Drake and go for something like a Tengu or a Nighthawk? or will the Raven/CNR line will pay in the end? my main concern here is DPS to blitz through the missions P and ofcourse decent tank.


Tengu is more DPS and a far better tank, practically speaking. You can blitz most missions in a pure buffer fit (LSE+2 invulns), for example, using the high (afterburning) speed and low sig radius as your tank until you manage to pull range or complete the mission and warp out.
De Guantanamo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-06 02:16:45 UTC
Buffer tanking in missions is stupid as hell.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-06 02:41:08 UTC
Drake is sort of unique.

I had to active shield tank Raven, Navy Scorp and Navy Raven. So if you expect to fit them similarly to Drake, you can forget about it.

If you want to stay with Caldari bs, I highly recommend Navy Scorp. You will have to run shield booster, but not as much as Raven or Navy Raven.

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stoicfaux
#5 - 2012-04-06 03:44:21 UTC
Tengu. And then cross-train into Minmatar, such as the Mach or Vargur. =/

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2012-04-06 04:09:20 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Tengu. And then cross-train into Minmatar, such as the Mach or Vargur. =/



That's the right answer for missions. As much as I love my Nighthawk, I can't in good conscience recommend you train for one when Tengus do it all (except passive tank).
Thalysia
The Ahool Guard
#7 - 2012-04-06 08:48:27 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Tengu. And then cross-train into Minmatar, such as the Mach or Vargur. =/



Tengu is right, Vargur might be right, but to crosstrain into Minmatar for Mach? Shouldn't you be crosstraining Minmatar and Gallente?
Don't get me wrong I know the Mach is a great mission ship, but that requires some training, not to mention ISK. Then you can ask whether or not it is worth the effort, as the added value (and cost) imo isn't worth stepping of the path towards the Golem. In which you already made a good way of getting there with all missile skills.
Mattikus Hemah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-04-06 20:23:22 UTC

Golem means going down caldari BS line, Tengu means going T3 cruiser.

hmm Tengu or Golem, Tengu or Golem.. P

I wanna have the most efficient skill plan possible, dont want any wasted skills.. (as possible).
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#9 - 2012-04-06 21:29:06 UTC
Tengu is the swiss-army-knife FOTY, tough to go wrong until it gets Nerf-batted. Golem is good, but I'm pretty sure there are better options, I have seen a lot of Golem hate lately. I found that the Raven is relatively easy to perma-tank, and with the right fit can chew through missions pretty quickly.
stoicfaux
#10 - 2012-04-07 00:20:18 UTC
Thalysia wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Tengu. And then cross-train into Minmatar, such as the Mach or Vargur. =/



Tengu is right, Vargur might be right, but to crosstrain into Minmatar for Mach? Shouldn't you be crosstraining Minmatar and Gallente?
Don't get me wrong I know the Mach is a great mission ship, but that requires some training, not to mention ISK. Then you can ask whether or not it is worth the effort, as the added value (and cost) imo isn't worth stepping of the path towards the Golem. In which you already made a good way of getting there with all missile skills.


It's cross-train into minmatar because you need to skill up Large T2 ACs. Gallente is just a quick trip up to BS IV which is too minor to be considered cross-training.

As for the Golem, it's Meh (expensive to fit, expensive to train into, and has sub-par performance.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Mattikus Hemah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-04-07 00:37:46 UTC
OllieNorth wrote:
Tengu is the swiss-army-knife FOTY, tough to go wrong until it gets Nerf-batted. Golem is good, but I'm pretty sure there are better options, I have seen a lot of Golem hate lately. I found that the Raven is relatively easy to perma-tank, and with the right fit can chew through missions pretty quickly.

Care to share that perma-tank fit? nothing I do lasts more than a few minutes and I dont wanna use cap boosters.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#12 - 2012-04-07 06:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Keep training core skills.

level 5 everything.

if anything go for both tengu and rattlesnake.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-07 17:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Svodola Darkfury
Tengu or Nighthawk are both excellent ships, personally I prefer the Tengu.

Also, the Drake is a fantastic ship that you will find yourself coming back to for pvp, wormholes, etc. so don't be too quick to throw it away; unless you're getting sick of looking at it, just keep training skills for IT. By the time you're done you'll have more than enough support skills for just about any mid-class ship; then it's just weapons and ship skills.

[edit for perma run tengu:]


[Tengu, Mostly Tech 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


This is expensive; but it's also 908 omni tank. You can swap out a shield boost amplifier for a 10mn AB II, 4:30 run time for me, no 3% cpu implant that way, and still 697 burst tank (41% cap stable with the AB off if you're only using it for bursts of mobility).

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