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Patient 2428190
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#101 - 2012-04-06 12:05:24 UTC
A lot of people in this thread have never used fighters. Slow, expensive and very bad at damaging anything smaller than battleships.

Carriers are giant logistics ships when they are on the battlefield. Why this continuously eludes people, I'm not entirely sure. They are not a DPS platform

They. Are. Not. DPS. Ships. Say it as many times as you need too.
Leviant2910
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-04-06 12:55:12 UTC
Great idea, but I disagree with it going in high sec...if its above bs size, it should be limited to low imo. +1
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-04-06 17:22:40 UTC
[quote=Patient 2428190]A lot of people in this thread have never used fighters. Slow, expensive and very bad at damaging anything smaller than battleships

Carriers are giant logistics ships when they are on the battlefield. Why this continuously eludes people, I'm not entirely sure. They are not a DPS platfor

They. Are. Not. DPS. Ships. Say it as many times as you need too.[/quote


An escort carrier is basicly a GIANT but slighly smaller than a carrier, logistics ship. Not to mention a lot cheeper and wont insta close a WH when it jumps thro a WH twice,

and what I dont understand is, how it eludes ppl like you that its:
A) A steping stone for carrier by leting u get your fighter training done an lets you use them wile your still lerning CAP skills.
B) A NEW GOD DAME BAD ASS OBER LOOKING SHIP
C) Something to mix up fleet battles a bit more by changeing the idea off "more cap ships = win"
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-04-06 17:26:59 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
Id rather see a T2 version of the tier 3 Battle ship that fits a dooms day then a nother cap to kill the even more caps with.

Also the role has be posted i mean why have an orca one theres roq's? because they can't go through gates and are huge and cost alot.

not to meantion WH's

I know lots of carrier pilots that would love to aculy you know fly the ship around and not just wait to jump to the cyno when and if needed.


Ok a Q directed at you

u need to have played colony wars to fully understand what i am saying in this idea as this was my first encounter with a said DOOMSDAY one hit wounder weapon

Would you consider the idea off a cruiser class hull built around a DD style anti cap beam cannon ??
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-04-06 20:47:16 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
A lot of people in this thread have never used fighters. Slow, expensive and very bad at damaging anything smaller than battleships.

Carriers are giant logistics ships when they are on the battlefield. Why this continuously eludes people, I'm not entirely sure. They are not a DPS platform

They. Are. Not. DPS. Ships. Say it as many times as you need too.

BUT EFT SAYS NYXIESES CAN DO 14000 DPS!!!!
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-04-06 21:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Admiral Lysander wrote:



An escort carrier is basicly a GIANT but slighly smaller than a carrier, logistics ship.


We already have a giant logistics ship. It's called a "carrier".
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#107 - 2012-04-07 00:20:23 UTC
We also have a smaller logistic ship. Its called a logistics ship.

For the record, I am not opposed to combat Orca stle vessels. But it has to be reasonable. Giving a ship uber uber drone skills which people can exploit and turn into a win-button is not the way to do it. Breaking the current status quo re: where you can use fighters, not a great idea.

Lysander said he would like to see a sorta-sub-capital for deploying into wormholes alongside caps. Well, so would I. There's nothing wrong with putting ships in the game which have capabilities exclusively tailored to conducting warfare in w-space - we already have the Zephyr, after all.

W-space - especially low end w-space - does desperately need something you can take through the wormhole to help in assaulting POSs. Maybe a mini-dread. Maybe a mini carrier. But mostly a mini-dreadnought.

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Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#108 - 2012-04-07 07:35:58 UTC
Admiral Lysander wrote:
ok its been a real ship class before its been in other games before so mebe we can see an escort carrier class possibly.

im looking forward to all the hate comments from every one aba escort carriers an what not.

To me tho its a reasonable idea, a ship a lil larger than a battleship with barely any weapons but aloued to carry up to 5 fighters no fighter bombers

just something a little cheeper than a full carrier so ppl can feel the awsomeness off fighters a lil sooner.


Old idea. Check Features/Ideas section, do a search for Bellum Eternus and Murder One. Both had extremely well developed concepts centered around this idea.

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mama guru
Yazatas.
#109 - 2012-04-07 08:56:03 UTC
We don't need a smaller carrier than we already have. The standard ones are almost right in cost and scope compared to other capitals. Carriers need to be a little cheaper and they need a more clear role in capital fights. They could serve well as an escort ship to capital fleets. Where dreads/titans/sc's provide the heavy artillary, a carrier could provide it with means to defend against smaller ships or some other Ewar solution. Apply the fighter control range bonus to drones aswell, for starters.


You could let them fit some type of long range electronic warfare solution, maybe even a warp disruptor that can tackle supersShocked? There are a million things you can do with the carriers to refine capital ship warfare a bit more without adding another capital hull.

I'll repeat:


We. Do. Not. Need. Another. Carrier. Hull. Dot.

What we need is a carrier makeover.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-04-07 21:14:11 UTC
mama guru wrote:
We don't need a smaller carrier than we already have. The standard ones are almost right in cost and scope compared to other capitals. Carriers need to be a little cheaper and they need a more clear role in capital fights. They could serve well as an escort ship to capital fleets. Where dreads/titans/sc's provide the heavy artillary, a carrier could provide it with means to defend against smaller ships or some other Ewar solution. Apply the fighter control range bonus to drones aswell, for starters.


You could let them fit some type of long range electronic warfare solution, maybe even a warp disruptor that can tackle supersShocked? There are a million things you can do with the carriers to refine capital ship warfare a bit more without adding another capital hull.

I'll repeat:


We. Do. Not. Need. Another. Carrier. Hull. Dot.

What we need is a carrier makeover.



u miss read one point

IT. IS. NOT ANOTHER CAPITAL. HULL.

were trying to come up with a sub capital ship
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#111 - 2012-04-07 23:56:54 UTC
Solo afk incursion runner ftw?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#112 - 2012-04-08 07:00:36 UTC
@Lysander WHERE DOES IT FITS IN HIGHSEC PVP!!?? Dockturbation?

In lower security systems you already have carriers.

If you want only drones you already have droneboats.
Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#113 - 2012-04-08 19:35:12 UTC
needs to be able to be used in highsec. Because it will allow people to get the feel of a carrier.

I have more space likes than you. 
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-04-08 23:59:30 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
@Lysander WHERE DOES IT FITS IN HIGHSEC PVP!!?? Dockturbation?

In lower security systems you already have carriers.

If you want only drones you already have droneboats.


As well to get the feel of a carrier it would sit in HS PVP as a carrier just weeker and cheeper,

WH space it would sit well in supporting carrier's as thay attack other WH's,

Low sec and null sec ther could be so many difrent things it could do.
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-04-09 00:05:27 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Solo afk incursion runner ftw?


and no the idea of the ship is to have a week tank, you would need at least a few ospreys reppin.
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#116 - 2012-04-09 13:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaikka Carel
Admiral Lysander wrote:
Kaikka Carel wrote:
@Lysander WHERE DOES IT FITS IN HIGHSEC PVP!!?? Dockturbation?

In lower security systems you already have carriers.

If you want only drones you already have droneboats.


As well to get the feel of a carrier it would sit in HS PVP as a carrier just weeker and cheeper,

WH space it would sit well in supporting carrier's as thay attack other WH's,

Low sec and null sec ther could be so many difrent things it could do.


And what does a carrier? And what it would do in highsec meta?

iirc even fighters get eaten by sleepers. Or do you plan to siege ppl? Or fight their T3 with it?

Like die at the hands outrepped fighters of a true carrier?

Your concept is NOT thorough or specific. You JUST WANT a ship and that is not a sufficient enough reason.

Tier3 BC's have an awesome concept yours is just a smaller version of what already exists.
Katalci
Kismesis
#117 - 2012-04-09 20:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
If you want to role play a carrier, buy a Sin.
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-04-10 16:03:43 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
Admiral Lysander wrote:
Kaikka Carel wrote:
@Lysander WHERE DOES IT FITS IN HIGHSEC PVP!!?? Dockturbation?

In lower security systems you already have carriers.

If you want only drones you already have droneboats.


As well to get the feel of a carrier it would sit in HS PVP as a carrier just weeker and cheeper,

WH space it would sit well in supporting carrier's as thay attack other WH's,

Low sec and null sec ther could be so many difrent things it could do.


And what does a carrier? And what it would do in highsec meta?

iirc even fighters get eaten by sleepers. Or do you plan to siege ppl? Or fight their T3 with it?

Like die at the hands outrepped fighters of a true carrier?

Your concept is NOT thorough or specific. You JUST WANT a ship and that is not a sufficient enough reason.

Tier3 BC's have an awesome concept yours is just a smaller version of what already exists.



if you look at some off post that have been made u will see that in matter of fact your wrong.