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A question to miners.

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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-07 00:23:20 UTC
Ive done just about everything this game has to offer apart from Mining

I do have a hulk character that i use very very occasionally when im cleaning the house, but never for very long


having done everything i still have this itch about setting up 5 accounts and having 4 hulks and an Orca. I want that many accounts as 1 solo miner is the most boring thing in the world (which is why i only use it when im doing something else).


Questions

1. Would 5 accounts run on a highend computer with all graphics turned to minimum

2. Is it quickly tedious even with 5 accounts

3. would it take a months work as a second job to plex all 5 accounts.


also inb4 pvp. I pvp all day long. when i cant find something to fight i go on sisi.

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words

Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#2 - 2012-04-07 00:32:56 UTC
1) More than likely they'll run fine.

2) It can be, especially if you use T2 crystals and they break and stop cycle. As well as rocks depleting and tabbing to find out which one it is, overlapping cycles, strips stopping because of a full cargo hold.

3) Your limiting factors will be belt competition and the yield of the rocks in that belt. If you happen to be in a low traffic system with many belts with a mindlinked booster, you could easily fill an orca full every 25-30 minutes no problem -- maybe even faster.

You'd have to mine a whole lot to clear five plexes a month. Even with something like 40mil/hour for four hours a day every day of the month, probably be close to 4.5-5bil/month. Numbers change though, Tritanium is up now but it could crash next week, next month thereby making you sit out in the belt longer for those plex.
Rengerel en Distel
#3 - 2012-04-07 00:33:04 UTC
anything you consider tedious will be just as tedious doing it with more characters.

as for plexing the accounts, have you looked at mineral prices recently?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2012-04-07 00:47:44 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
1. Would 5 accounts run on a highend computer with all graphics turned to minimum

I normally run 4 accounts when mining (Orca + 2 Hulks + Bustard). Sometimes run 5 (Tengu booster). Have run 6, but it gets dicey (client tends to crash).

Also, I've had significant losses from losing connection while doing missions.

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
2. Is it quickly tedious even with 5 accounts

Mining is easy. I like mining though so I never find it tedious.

Doing missions can get busy when a spawn targets something you don't want targeted, and worse something that you didn't notice was targeted.

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
3. would it take a months work as a second job to plex all 5 accounts.

No idea. I have 7 accounts and only PLEX 2 of them.
Verocity
8 Virtues
#5 - 2012-04-07 01:55:01 UTC
2 Hulks with max yield and Orca max boost takes me 35 minutes to fill it. (190km3) If I had more than two hulks, I would just have them all use T1 strips and just evaporate entire belts. Sure it's less yield than using crystals but really, micro managing 5 seems ludicrous.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-04-07 02:45:14 UTC
Mining gets boring if you're alone, period, doesn't matter if you use 1 or 10 accounts. ( though you'll be spending more time clicking the same things over and over again )

Only way to make mining less boring is to be in a fleet with other people and chatter away while the rocks get vaporised. As for plexing the accounts.. you would still need to mine enough per account, so adding more hulks simply means having to make more money too, so it doesn't change much wether you use 3 accounts or 5. 2 accounts it gets noticable as the orca bonus doesn't fess up to a full hulk mining, and mining without an orca.. ugh..

As for managing it.. have each hulk mine something else, so you can use tech 2 strippers, that's also why I only use 3 accounts. 1 veldspar, 1 scord, 1 plagio, omber is just not worth it. and there's no kernite or pyrox where I live.

As for your rig, my 'former top end' machine of about 6 years old now can run 3 acounts just fine without me turning down the gfx, so running 5 on minimum should work fine on a recently animated monster machine.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#7 - 2012-04-07 22:45:44 UTC
If you run 5 miners and live in highsec you are loosing so much profit its not even funny. Anyone with 2 miners or more should move to where the ores are rich.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-07 23:50:23 UTC
next winter you could look forward to Ring mining - may use different mining ships though

Train some cyno alts on the miner accounts so when you have a capital ship you can move it around easily

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#9 - 2012-04-08 12:36:55 UTC
I recommend friends and/or corpmates to talk to. You may regret having five or six accounts mining. I have a friend who does that - not me - whom has encountered ransom demands and wardecs at least twice from mining to such a degree. You become very visible to the inquisitive and undesirable elements when what you ideally need to be as an industrialist is 'under the radar' as much as possible. Just a thought. Smile
Ikel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-09 00:19:38 UTC
Xearal wrote:
Mining gets boring if you're alone, period, doesn't matter if you use 1 or 10 accounts. ( though you'll be spending more time clicking the same things over and over again )

snip


I just wanted to reiterate this point. I enjoy mining (not as much as I used to) and feel that having more accounts mining doesn't make it any more enjoyable.
D3F4ULT
#11 - 2012-04-09 00:46:31 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
Ive done just about everything this game has to offer apart from Mining

I do have a hulk character that i use very very occasionally when im cleaning the house, but never for very long


having done everything i still have this itch about setting up 5 accounts and having 4 hulks and an Orca. I want that many accounts as 1 solo miner is the most boring thing in the world (which is why i only use it when im doing something else).


Questions

1. Would 5 accounts run on a highend computer with all graphics turned to minimum

2. Is it quickly tedious even with 5 accounts

3. would it take a months work as a second job to plex all 5 accounts.


also inb4 pvp. I pvp all day long. when i cant find something to fight i go on sisi.


http://i.imgur.com/aSiDP.jpg

4 Hulks (now) 1 orca.

AMD Phenom II 1100t (6-core) o.c. 4.2ghz
NVIDIA GTX 465
8GB DDR3 1600mhz
128GB SSD III (250 MB/s Read/Write)
1.5TB + 1.0TB HDD

I set my main to full graphics and all the alts to low, runs very smooth.

1) yes.
2) I find it more fun due to the amount of coordination that you need. You have about 1-2min downtime while mining due to early asteroid pops, small field to finish out, and Traveling with Orca (takes 20mins to fill Orca, still working on alts to get near perfect yields)

3) You could easily Plex 2-3 Accounts. All 5? Get a secondary profession going such as P.I. that doesn't require your absolute attention 24/7.


Trust me, It's work to be done, but in the end if you have the time and you enjoy it, then go for it. If you're trying to find an easy way out of making enough isk for PLEX, well you're in the wrong profession. Simply having more miners doesn't simply generate more isk than a single miner with an Orca. It will be awhile before you have a PLEX due to the sheer amount of isk you need to get started.

220-300m / Hulk, Strip Miners II, Crystals, 400-1b Orca, 20-30m Retrievers, etc..

Then add to the fact if you get ganked, better having a savings account ;) Good luck.

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"

Toshiro GreyHawk
#12 - 2012-04-09 08:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
The way I did it ...

I had several older computers and a newer one that's about 3 years old now. Two of the older systems would do two accounts, one would do one and the new one would do 4 - (though i don't know how many accounts I had running - that was the individual capability of the computers).

My advice on this would be to add accounts one at a time until you know what your hardware can handle. Of course ... you're also testing to see what YOU can handle without going into Task Overload.

I'd run missions until I found one that had a lot of rocks in it.

Then I'd spread my miners out (I have more than 4 accounts) and have them dumping into jet cans. Mission Fields are different that the belts. The belts tend to form a large crescent - the mission fields tend to be rounded like a loose ball.

I had one Hulk but they were just to expensive to give one to each of my miners so the other guys got Covetors.

The Orca would take up a central position in the Asteroid Field where it could use it's tractor beam to pull the cans to it.

I'd have Industrials going from the Orca to the station, since I had a number of mission runners - they could only help by flying industrials anyway. I did use the Orca as a hauler initially but then switched to using the industrials which let me retain the boosts the Orca was giving and let me continue to tractor. The biggest problem was if I had to put the industrials through multiple gates to get to the field.


I was never bored but then I like mining. When I was into sports - they were endurance sports. I think a lot and am never bored doing a repetitive task that frees my mind up.

It did get tiring though after several hours as you are constantly servicing your ships. You're constantly moving from one ship to the next just trying to empty their holds and any interruptions like depleted asteroids or burnt out crystals didn't help matters. Mostly - I was way to busy to worry about being bored. The real down side was that the relaxing nature of mining with a few ships - was gone - this was full scale industrial output ... and sorta became ... work ...

I had several systems with multiple monitors. I'd put EVE full screen on one and have the desk top with the task bar on the other. The Task Bar was not hidden - that way - i could just click from left to right to access any of my accounts. I'd load the accounts in a specific order so I always knew which one was first, second or third and always use them on the same computer. For the computers that didn't have a second monitor I had to just alt tab through them - but then they were older systems so they didn't have that many accounts. One problem there though was that I had my worst system sharing a monitor with my best and had to punch the button on the monitor to see that systems account. CCP solved this problem for me by obsoleting the CPU on it.

I could pull in a decent amount of ore doing this but even back then I didn't play enough to even consider a plex. Today, RL > EVE, and I'm lucky to keep my skill queues active and my factories running ... so mining ops are pretty much of the past.

*shrug*

.
Silent Ears
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-09 20:06:18 UTC
A week ago I was looking for the same answers.

5 clients on a "highend" computer will work with out to many problems. Only thing I had to do was turn anti aliasing off.

There is nothing quick about mining in general. With 3 hulks and a orca with full skills it takes about 2hrs for me to mine a complete belt.

You could make enough for 5 plexes even in high sec. I mine in high sec and with a belt a day make enough on average for 2 plexes a week.

As someone else stated make sure to do PI stuff. It's just a lot of extra income that takes only 5mins a day of upkeep.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-09 22:54:23 UTC
Meh,

Mining for Plex for another mounth of mining for Plex for another mounth of mining for Plex for another mounth of mining for Plex for another mounth of mining for Plex for another mounth of mining for Plex for another mounth of mining for Plex
D Program
#15 - 2012-04-10 08:00:23 UTC
1. I run 6 accounts with no problems at all. 60fps on all clients. (i5 2500k, 8gb ddr3, 460gtx 1gb)(sometimes i have Civ5 open aswell with eve clients, still runs fine)

2. Ofcourse it gets boring, I watch a movie or play something at the side when mining in eve. I use 4x hulks and 1x Orca aswell. To make it more comfortable, enable game audio, but only UI speech, so you hear when Aura tells you "Asteroid depleted".

3. I mine about 100mil/hour with my 4x hulks and 1x Orca in high-sec.

PS: The minerals you get from your mining are not free! (Unless you want to lose ISK)

Good luck!

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