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Why in god's name would you do that CCP ?

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Sturmwolke
#81 - 2012-03-30 02:03:16 UTC
Ok, this redacting of the "Stargate" text from the name is ********. Who's bright idea was this?
The texts are mixing and you have to do a split-second double-take to confirm that's it's really a stargate - not a person, not anything else.

Prefix it back to what it was before please. Stargates need to stand out.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#82 - 2012-03-30 02:33:00 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Anything other than a distance sort is unhelpful.


Why?

When I'm warping out in an emergency all I care about is, "TAKE ME SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT HERE!"

Perhaps star gates could be coloured differently, for example. Allow the player to define all foreground & background colours and styles, e.g.: every overview entry that is warpable becomes italic/oblique or black-on-white. Sorting by distance or type can happen on my "pod saver" tab, which only includes celestials (gates, planets, customs offices, beacons, not moons).
Jita Alt666
#83 - 2012-03-30 02:36:58 UTC
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
This makes me very happy.

Jita Alt666
#84 - 2012-03-30 02:38:07 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Ok, this redacting of the "Stargate" text from the name is ********. Who's bright idea was this?
The texts are mixing and you have to do a split-second double-take to confirm that's it's really a stargate - not a person, not anything else.

Prefix it back to what it was before please. Stargates need to stand out.



They do. When you sort by Icon.
Torneach
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-03-30 02:41:51 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Efraya wrote:
What are these "Stargates" that you speak off?

Kind of a ring thing, comes with a dialer, you hit the symbols, it spins around and lights come on, it kind of flushes sideways...


Big smile
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#86 - 2012-03-30 02:42:08 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Anything other than a distance sort is unhelpful.


Why?



I am me and do things my way. You do things yours. DO NOT confuse the two of us...........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Shikitara
painkiller.
#87 - 2012-03-30 03:18:06 UTC
And you guys don't just Right click and select your destinations..... Why? Straight
Kurai Okala
Okala Corp
#88 - 2012-03-30 04:51:56 UTC
Just chiming in to say that I like the new format since it allows me to narrow the overview which frees up some real estate on my monitor.
Sturmwolke
#89 - 2012-03-30 09:49:45 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:

They do. When you sort by Icon.


You'll still do split second double-back to confirm, even when sorted by icons.
The sorting is almost always in a state of flux.

When this first came out, I gave it a test run on the benefit of doubt. Now I've changed my mind.
Trading width with breaking a UI aspect on the assumption there isn't a problem is flawed judgement on the part of CCP.
Dahren Caspo
Repo.
#90 - 2012-03-30 10:36:06 UTC
I like this change.

A man must have a code.

Ibeau Renoir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-04-06 22:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ibeau Renoir
CCP Prism X wrote:
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Did I just interpret this correctly in that you made this change because of technical clarity rather than usability studies or UAT which pointed towards a necessary change to make the game more playable or the UI better from a player's perspective?


No, what made you think that? I asked specifically for use cases where this could be confusing due to lack of other contextual identifiers... Question

Here's one that came up just now:
Fleet broadcast history wrote:
22:24:32 - Ibeau Renoir is in position at Hek
Fortunately my only other fleet member was an alt, but if other players were in it, and people didn't know that "in position" meant "in position at some celestial" as contrasted with "at location" which means "at location in a system", and probably even if they did, they could think I was in Hek, not in Eystur at the Hek gate.

I sympathise with the view that putting the type name in the name is cumbersome, but I can't think of any other situation where some things have the same name as other things (in this case gates having the same name as systems) without something to tell them apart. Such name-sharing in general has great potential to cause confusion in unforseen ways.

Ceci n'est pas un sig.

Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-04-16 20:52:16 UTC
As mentioned on Twitter, I think the new naming screws up almost everything except the overview. Due to this I'd even suggest reverting the rename to the old system ("Stargate (Name)") and changing to overview, so it displays stargate names different (messages, brackets, etc. would still be the classic name).

I could even think of more complex names with this system: "Stargate to ###" everywhere, but only "###" in the overview list. This might be a bit tricky to code, but even then, upon updating the overview, checking the entry's type and adjusting that one string shouldn't be such an performance issue I guess.

Looking for more thoughts? Follow me on Twitter.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#93 - 2012-04-17 03:06:26 UTC
Trying to see if the forum is done going full ****** on me:

Image of broadcast messages in the log: Link

Problematic Broadcasts:
At location: "NAME is at location SYSTEM". Name of broadcast implies a location within system would be relevant, ie, "NAME is at (the) DESTINATION_SYSTEM stargate in SYSTEM."
In position: "NAME is in position at DESTINATION_SYSTEM". With current stargate naming system, this broadcast implies the person is in the system, not at the stargate to the system. "NAME is in position at DESTINATION_SYSTEM stargate (in SYSTEM)" would be better.
Jump: "Jump DESTINATION_SYSTEM". Considering the original use for this broadcast was for ships with jumpdrives (otherwise, you wouldn't be able to broadcast celestials), this is a highly confusing broadcast after this change. Needs to make it clear that it is referring to a celestial and not a system, or otherwise there are going to be some very annoyed FCs out there.
Warp: "Warp DESTINATION_SYSTEM". Um... you can't warp to a system. Enough said, really.
Align: "Align DESTINATION_SYSTEM". As above, you can't align to a system.
Target: "Target DESTINATION_SYSTEM (OBJECT_TYPE)". This one's probably the only one that's even close to reasonable because it still displays that it is referring to a stargate.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

CCP Sisyphus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#94 - 2012-04-17 08:53:02 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Problematic Broadcasts:
... //snip goodness here
.


Thank you very much for this!!!

Lets see if we can fix this...

CCP Sisyphus | Team TriLambda | Team Klang | @CCP_Sisyphus

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#95 - 2012-04-17 13:04:35 UTC
Derped slightly and forgot to mention that that screenshot was taken on Sisi - just in case the text-fading on the overview didn't give it away. Oops

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#96 - 2012-04-17 13:20:32 UTC
Kurai Okala wrote:
Just chiming in to say that I like the new format since it allows me to narrow the overview which frees up some real estate on my monitor.



Narrow it the width of TWO parenthesis ?? Give us all a break...and some credit.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#97 - 2012-04-17 13:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
I like the change. I support the possibility of surrounding names with () or [] or ** or something of the sort to make the sorting whiners happy.

I think the person who's mythical FC doesn't keep the type column up on overview is a nutjob...
"Primary is Alphonse, secondary is Bob" -- "They're both velators, wtf?" -- "Sorry, I only sort alphabetically when I FC and dont look at the ship type..."

...and If your fleet mates can't find the name you called in an alphabetical column of everything, what does it matter? They're useless anyway.

Really folks - the TYPE column is where TYPE is identified. You don't see "Harbinger (Fredbob)" or "Battlecruiser (Fredbob)" in the name column do you? Do you call your character "Gallente (SuperNerdFellow)"? No.

Quit moaning about a positive, useful and clutter-removing change just because your cheese got moved. HTFU

(...and sort by distance like the normal people! - Anything on top is the nearest threat )

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-04-17 15:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
I don't understand why everyone's crying. If you can't do this: http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/Byodood/OMGSOHARD.png
Then you shouldn't be flying.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#99 - 2012-04-17 16:27:21 UTC
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

CCP Sisyphus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#100 - 2012-04-17 16:46:18 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Trying to see if the forum is done going full ****** on me:

Image of broadcast messages in the log: Link

Problematic Broadcasts:
At location: "NAME is at location SYSTEM". Name of broadcast implies a location within system would be relevant, ie, "NAME is at (the) DESTINATION_SYSTEM stargate in SYSTEM."
In position: "NAME is in position at DESTINATION_SYSTEM". With current stargate naming system, this broadcast implies the person is in the system, not at the stargate to the system. "NAME is in position at DESTINATION_SYSTEM stargate (in SYSTEM)" would be better.
Jump: "Jump DESTINATION_SYSTEM". Considering the original use for this broadcast was for ships with jumpdrives (otherwise, you wouldn't be able to broadcast celestials), this is a highly confusing broadcast after this change. Needs to make it clear that it is referring to a celestial and not a system, or otherwise there are going to be some very annoyed FCs out there.
Warp: "Warp DESTINATION_SYSTEM". Um... you can't warp to a system. Enough said, really.
Align: "Align DESTINATION_SYSTEM". As above, you can't align to a system.
Target: "Target DESTINATION_SYSTEM (OBJECT_TYPE)". This one's probably the only one that's even close to reasonable because it still displays that it is referring to a stargate.


Right. Nhis should be fixed now, but we missed the build. Expect the messages to be much more comprehensible come friday on sisi. :)

CCP Sisyphus | Team TriLambda | Team Klang | @CCP_Sisyphus