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Why I quit the game today

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#141 - 2012-04-05 20:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
My first two months of playing Eve were a series of me finding stupid ways to lose ships I could barely afford. I was tagging along on L4 missions with friends, and flying cruisers to do it. Then we figured out salvaging was decent money (by our standards) and I flew a salvage Catalyst and lost several of those salvaging in live mission rooms. It became a running gag that I couldn't go a week without seeing my ship blow up at least once, and that I'd never see a nine-digit wallet.

I'm about seven weeks from my two-year anniversary in this game. I plex three accounts every month and have cash left over to buy the expensive ships I like to fly. It gets better and easier.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2012-04-05 22:59:06 UTC
You learned EVE's harshest lesson first. A few years ago now I joined a nullsec alliance, I was completely new, had 120million isk to my name and a drake. I didn't know what jump bridges or anything like that was, I jumped straight into a gate camp and lost my drake, and foolishly paid the ransom for my pod. I had 1 million isk, and no ships. I literally nearly quit EVE.

What changed my mind? EVE is a game. Pixels can be remade. I now have 11 accounts, an 11 digit bank balance and plenty of spaceships to die in. EVE is hard, you live and you learn. Bear
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#143 - 2012-04-06 02:03:20 UTC
This thread is not in GD? How... what do?
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-04-06 02:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that..


The problem is you made yourself a target, you might think you can trade peacefully but that doesn't exist in EVE. You have goals you want to achieve and that's great but you forget the other players around you have their own goals. Whoever killed you obviously wanted your cargo. You made two mistakes, firstly you where naive and believed you could "trade peacefully" and forgot other people would see a space piƱata. Your second mistake was not preparing and taking precautions. Travelling a watched route in a flimsy ship and then going AFK was simply suicide.

The player that killed you, you said it yourself "out-smarting and out-playing your opponent." you made a mistake and the player that killed you took advantage of it and out played you,

I know its a hard lesson, many of us had that lesson to. What happens now is up to you, you can learn from it and pick yourself up and carry on. Do you want to be defeated and routed over some cargo? Dusting yourself and carrying on will make you stronger, you had your lesson and it was harsh but you will know better in the future.

You may want to quit but you can start again, you earned your ISK and learned trading skills and you can do it again and you will be more experienced. You might even make more ISK faster, you will also know you have to ensure your own safety and security.

Do not quit, try again and use the skills you learned and be even more successful in the future.
Spacebar Chelien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-04-06 03:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Spacebar Chelien
Well looking back at the lessons I've learned from this it just makes me realize that this game just probably isn't for me.

Never haul shiny stuff inside less shiny stuf
-Ok, great. But doing this was the only way I found of making a reasonable amount of isk without making me want to shoot myself

Never look away from your screen
-Good lesson. All I have to do is live my life in fear of that one time when I'm doing something the least bit risky and I have to answer the door

Don't put all your eggs in one basket
-Ok, but again doing this was the only way I found to make isk. I want to fly shiny stuff. Nothing too fancy, but I don't want to be flying around in a tier 1 frigate for months doing the dirty work for people in much nicer ships


So maybe I could get back into it. I'm thinking about it, the responses in this thread have been very positive and its shown that the community is a lot better than I thought. But then again for all I know I could find out in a few weeks time that
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-04-06 04:05:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
I'm thinking about it, the responses in this thread have been very positive and its shown that the community is a lot better than I thought.


Most people have been positive because you didn't whine, in your post it was obvious you where disappointed but you didn't cry or whine. The players sympathise because they have been there themselves at some point.

Even when you have bucket loads of ISK and SP things can go wrong, ships can die, "friends" can scam you, cap ships can get bounced off a station because of a badly placed cyno.

EVE is like real life, you have to accept the ups and downs and live with the uncertainty. Check your contracts btw.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#147 - 2012-04-06 07:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Well looking back at the lessons I've learned from this it just makes me realize that this game just probably isn't for me.

Never haul shiny stuff inside less shiny stuf
-Ok, great. But doing this was the only way I found of making a reasonable amount of isk without making me want to shoot myself
Don't put all your eggs in one basket
-Ok, but again doing this was the only way I found to make isk. I want to fly shiny stuff. Nothing too fancy, but I don't want to be flying around in a tier 1 frigate for months doing the dirty work for people in much nicer ships

You can make money from trade say by hauling the same stuff in three goes, instead of one. It will take you a little longer, but not months, lessens the chances of you being ganked tremendously, and means that even if you lose one of the cargoes, you can still go on.

Quote:
Never look away from your screen
-Good lesson. All I have to do is live my life in fear of that one time when I'm doing something the least bit risky and I have to answer the door

If you need to get up in an emergency, first hit "dock" on some random station and see your ship starting to warp. That will take less than 20 seconds and unless the house is actually burning down or a child choking on a peanut, you have the 20 seconds. And if it is a real emergency, you should not care of the ship. And it's not "never". You can look away to your mails while in warp, say. Play in fixed window mode, so you can see when the warp ends from behind your email program.

Also, one thing you need to learn to be successful in EVE is to not live in the fear of a loss. Only fly what you can afford to lose. That is not just good advice, it is absolutely crucial for EVE to be playable. You cannot fly very well if every time you undock you are terrified of losing your ship. You have to get used to losses and develop a place inside your mind where you do not care about exploding (or not care very much).
Brisco County
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-04-06 09:01:53 UTC
Only flying what you can afford to lose is a bs cliche. Fly whatever you want. Worst case scenario you have to take your insurance payout and run a few missions in a cruiser to make some isk back.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#149 - 2012-04-06 10:00:01 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Please refrain from personal attacks. Spitfire
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#150 - 2012-04-06 10:57:43 UTC
Brisco County wrote:
Only flying what you can afford to lose is a bs cliche. Fly whatever you want. Worst case scenario you have to take your insurance payout and run a few missions in a cruiser to make some isk back.

But if you are fine with that, then you can afford to lose the ship.

"Can afford to lose" does not mean "can afford to immediately replace out of your wallet". It means "can lose and go on playing". You might have a fancy ship you got from somewhere cheap and while you enjoy it you do not intend to replace if it gets blown up - you can easily afford to get it blown up, even if your wallet figure is way below it's total price. On the other hand, you might have saved your first Rifter evah and be so emotionally attached to it that if you lost it, you'd throw a tantrum and quit. You cannot afford to lose that Rifter, even though you could easily buy a dozen similar ones.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#151 - 2012-04-06 11:00:10 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
On the other hand, you might have saved your first Rifter evah and be so emotionally attached to it that if you lost it, you'd throw a tantrum and quit. You cannot afford to lose that Rifter, even though you could easily buy a dozen similar ones.



I still have my first Rifter, still got my first Thasher to, would be gutted to lose them, they saw me through the first couple of months without assploding on me.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-04-06 13:30:18 UTC
This is why EVE is nothing like other MMOs. If you feel that you've wasted your time playing this game then I'm sorry for you.

If you said that you've already quit the game and don't want to have anything to do with it anymore then why are you still posting on this thread? Trying to pick out a few freebies perhaps?

If you still want to play the game then my advise to you would be to join some corporation to your liking and get some help. After all, that's why corps are for right? To have fun and to help each other.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#153 - 2012-04-06 13:36:25 UTC
Quote:
I still have my first Rifter, still got my first Thasher to, would be gutted to lose them, they saw me through the first couple of months without assploding on me.

If I still had my first Rifter, I'd never undock in it I think. But I don't, because I got it exploded and lost my first clone too, like a total noob, thinking that you can just take a ship and a bunch of noob friends and go sight-seeing in zero sec. Didn't have time to see what got us.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#154 - 2012-04-06 15:51:42 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Never haul shiny stuff inside less shiny stuf
-Ok, great. But doing this was the only way I found of making a reasonable amount of isk without making me want to shoot myself

A lot of it depends on what you're hauling. I've made good money hauling 0.1 m3 items in shuttles. Know how to fly and what gates to avoid and you'll generally do okay.

Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Never look away from your screen
-Good lesson. All I have to do is live my life in fear of that one time when I'm doing something the least bit risky and I have to answer the door

Or when you need to answer the door, log out in space or dock up.

Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Don't put all your eggs in one basket
-Ok, but again doing this was the only way I found to make isk. I want to fly shiny stuff. Nothing too fancy, but I don't want to be flying around in a tier 1 frigate for months doing the dirty work for people in much nicer ships

Always have reserves. ALWAYS. Don't risk more than half of what you have in a venture (until you know what you're doing and have the isk to spare...I keep about 75% of mine invested).
If you're spending months in T1 frigates, you need to find a better means of generating isk. There are a LOT of ways to do that and you should try more of them.

Spacebar Chelien wrote:
So maybe I could get back into it. I'm thinking about it, the responses in this thread have been very positive and its shown that the community is a lot better than I thought.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

D3F4ULT
#155 - 2012-04-06 19:16:19 UTC
I remember when I lost my first frigate.

Blink

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#156 - 2012-04-06 21:21:20 UTC
As usual, another victim not of non-consensual PVP, but of stupid ship loss.

Yes, PVP is expensive when you do nothing but blob and get blobbed. Eve, they say, is not like a FPS game where you lose nothing and respawn with everything, but why do so many people play like it is and fly into certain death?

Stupid ship loss is the root of many evils, the need to bot, grind incursions, RMT. All because people won't treat the sandbox like a sandbox and think outside of the box. It's like all those dumb yuppies being stuck on the same highway every day at the same time and it never occurs to them to try another route.

Yes there are lot of FCs and 0.0 overlords who run their fleets like 18th century aristocrats (whose real goal was to thin the population) but you don' have to be their fodder.

And yes, camp and blob tactics are a detriment to the game, but CCP appears to be working on that. The supercap hotdrop is on it's way out.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-04-06 21:39:35 UTC
I remember when I first got suicide ganked and podded ... all that went through my head what "well **** ... oh well" and then I hunted for the killrights =)) fun time
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-04-06 22:24:50 UTC
"My God, it's full of tears"
Keno Skir
#159 - 2012-04-07 10:40:52 UTC
Write down the names of you attackers.

Now you have an end-game.

Welcome to EvE.
Ambrynni McNeil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-04-07 11:01:22 UTC
Hmmn well I have just upgraded a 60 day trial, so I'm a new player too.

All I can say is, there is no point quitting. You have learned a lot already, you made a hell of a lot of money for a new character, I'm a bit jealous actually XD

Quitting will probably only get a few laughs out of the guy that ganked you. You can make that money again. You seem to be just rejecting every piece of advice people are sending your way in this thread so if you really have your heart set on quitting, go ahead and don't take anyones advice. But people here are trying to help and encourage you!

So think about it- It's just a game, you will lose ships, you will lose money. But it isn't the end of the world.

I'm looking forward to playing and I am expecting a few losses along the way so don't feel bad, I think you did very well for yourself. Just don't spend all your money on one go XD