EVE General Discussion

The Vengeance and Sacrilege have that already. It is one of the reasons they are so ungodly powerful: you have to get really lucky with a neut to turn off their afterburner/point/web, and they are even cap stable with a single repper running. Do you really want all Amarr ships to be able to do that?

Also, lasers are perfectly fine being balanced via cap. They have by far the best damage projection of any weapon system (because ~Scorch~) and if they track and stay at their optimal range with any other ammo, they will outdo all other weapon systems in DPS.

Amarr ships already get two bonuses. Deal with it.

(Yes, I do actually fly Amarr ships, and aside from stuff like the Omen and Prophecy, they are fine.)

so giving the caldari missile ships a bonus to missile damage and or rate of fire isnt a case of "you can use the weapons you already use?" i for one love the amarr cap reduction bonus for amarr ships. it's not "use the weapons you can already use" it's more along the lines of "use the guns designed for your ship more efficiently"

no it's not. you are wrong.

The cap reduction bonus is from a time when lasers were superior to other weapon system. That's a long time ago and they aren't anymore, the bonus needs to be reevaluated.

Are you really arguing that Amarr need a buff? If so, please kindly skill yourself.

Wouldn't change much to all the Amarr ships flying around with projectiles.

As such are they ways of the noobs. They do not remember the times when _any_ BS was fitting Tachyons.

Very true. Lazers should be difficult to use on another races ships, otherwise they would have too many secondary advantages. A capacitor issue needs to be there, but I think a cap recharge bonus would be far better as it would open up a lot of options in both PVE and PVP.

When used right, they still are. Similarly to blasters, you can't just hit F1 and hurf blurf your way to victory. You actually have to (gasp) fly your ship right.


If a laser-bonused ship doesn't work with lasers, that's a more fundamental problem with the ship. If the Punisher suddenly got a tracking bonus instead of its laser cap usage bonus do you think that everyone will start using it with lasers? No, with less than perfect skills it would cap itself out in a simple fight. Without its cap usage bonus, the Omen would cap itself out just firing its guns without using any other mods. Replacing the cap usage bonus on these ships (and the others receiving it) would be a horrible mistake.

There is more to balancing laser-using hulls than stripping them of the cap bonus and adding some random nonsensical bonus. More CPU/powergrid for those ships, coupled with possibly more tank and overhauled slots (Prophecy...), would do better at making them more viable as laser boats.

A cap usage bonus would be a glorious buff for Amarr ships, but it wouldn't really convince anyone to use lasers. I used the Vengeance and Sacrilege as examples of non-laser-using cap-bonused ships that are quite powerful. With a cap recharge bonus, there is just more reason to fly an AC-Maller, or a neut-Maller, as it could tank/burn far better. Perhaps that change scares me as the idea of a cap-bonused Armageddon is one I will probably have nightmares about.

If you're not seeing the Vengeance and Sacrilege on the field, you're looking in the wrong places. They're there. (Especially the Venge, that thing is everywhere)

no I'm not. Not every change anyone talks about is a buff.

I'm asking for the way lasers are balanced by requiring any ship that fits them to use up one of it's two ship bonuses to be looked at and reevaluated.