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VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-06 12:10:17 UTC
it's honestly pretty telling that the first thing jade did when faced with the wiki was to search his own name
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Aggressive Feeding
#22 - 2012-04-06 12:17:55 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
it's honestly pretty telling that the first thing jade did when faced with the wiki was to search his own name


Its not pretty,but its true...
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#23 - 2012-04-06 13:38:00 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
I deplore all RL actions* and mock you for RPing a prostitute, it's not like getting harrassed grants you some kind of weirdness immunity* to pick up on this, RL harrassment from eve is really messed up. If it makes you feel any better it's pretty widespread and frequently aimed at goons/allies (my favourite one was when someone called up kug's Malasian web security firm and made a complaint about him... to his wife)


Your comment appears less than sincere coupled as it is with continuing lies and defamation. Which is ironic given the supportive bleating in your leaders defense we've all recently been subjected too.

Yes this behaviour is widespread in Eve Online and it was pretty much brought to this game by the SA "community" which is famous for hiding behind the American notion of Freedom to Offend(freedom from the consequences of offending) so typified by institutions like the infamous Westboro Baptist Church.

VCBee 180 wrote:
there's nothing wrong with goons happening to host a picture of you (which must have been public at some point


Of course it was, it was from my online CV which was used by the goons to target RL harrassment to my current and previous employers in the form of accusations of internet prostitution. I guess thats okay with you also?

VCBee 180 wrote:
...and captioning it with petty insults about it on our private wiki; if someone has stolen that wiki and publically hosted it elsewhere then the bad is on them, not us


"Petty insults" are such things as "you have a stupid avatar" or "you write like a primary school child". Not lurid accusations of child sex offending. That you cannot tell the difference says an awful lot about the community you are part of and illustrates the great distance you have slipped from rationality and healthy social behaviour.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#24 - 2012-04-06 13:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:
And moreso,If Jade is so terrified by his RL harrasment(which we proved imaginary at best and outright lies at worst and most possible scenario)why he helps/endorse with RL harrasment of prominent members of CFC?


The irony is I'd welcome the attempt at "RL harrassment" face to face at the next fanfest (for example) and I'd love a goon in the UK to host something like this. But of course the thing about internet cyber-bullies like Goonswarm is you guys really are immense cowards truth be told and the first time anybody even looked in your direction at a public event you'd be running beneath the skirts of the organizers and begging for protection from the consequences of your actions. (This from personal experience).

But its common goon practice to throw up a smokescreen of inky lies to defend their own so lets give you a chance to have your say. How pray tell am I helping/endorsing RL harrassment of "prominent members of" CFC? Conneticut Fried Chicken?

PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:
And Jade,your csm did nothing useful at all,even other members of it admits it,and its your fault and if you were atleast bit honest you will admit it..


Well its a common myth told by the Goon leadership to its pawns. But CSM1 was pretty successful for CCP. Extremely good press coverage, media relations. It worked well for me in the workplace too ironically - people were pretty impressed at my run as the first ever democratically elected chair of a massively multiplayer online game.

BBC taking democracy to the stars

New York Times on Virtual Democracy

Massively spotlight CSM1

Ten ton hammer on the process

And dozens more like these.

At least two members of CSM1 would go on to work for CCP. One went on to become a leading figure on the followup CSM2. We oversaw the successful implementation of PLEX into Eve online which has helped hundreds of thousands of players from poorer countries in the world to play the game despite the economic problems of their host countries.

It is a matter of public record the various gameplay improvements we advocated for Eve Online and I'm quite proud of the issues I advocated personally (such of which will probably surprise you when you tear your eyes from goonswarm propaganda and go look up the facts as they happened

And when my term was over I gave the final address at fanfest without bringing myself, the csm, or CCP and the wider player base into disrepute. I understand then as I do now that the role of CSM chair is to represent the game as an ambassador to the wider gaming media and show off the things that make Eve great (rather than wallowing in petty cyber bullying and mean spirited drunken nonsense.).

In many ways I think it is the degree to which the facts of CSM1's success are self-evident and undeniable that have made goon high command so rapidly addicted to smear attempts and making up nonsense about it ever since. It really stings that the CSM chaired by Jade Constantine, roleplayer and leader of a small alliance was a roaring success, while the CSM chaired by goonswarm's favourite son was a disappointing fiasco that ended in scandal and universal condemnation by anyone who is not a goon.

All the goonswarm can take away from CSM6 really are humiliating headlines like these.

Cyber bullying for applause

Goonswarm's attempt to cyber-bully massively

Investigation over mocking suicidal player

Harrassment mars Eves fanfest

And so on.

Take off the goonswarm blinkers and breath the fresh clean air outside the SA basement for a moment and see how the rest of the players and gaming media see you.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-06 13:56:26 UTC
Jade, when you post... are you roleplaying? I can't see how anyone can hold such a strong internet grudge against goons and post so much about us while remaining otherwise fairly lucid. The only other explanation that occurs to me is that the harrassment and trolling aimed at you these past years has actually penetrated your usually thick skin and got you mad - how else could you make sweeping statements about a community of over a hundred and fifty thousand members without seeing the idiocy of it?

Just curious!
Lanasak
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-04-06 13:59:03 UTC
You are roleplaying insects. I've heard you refer to yourselves in many many promotional goonswarm videos as bees and I've seen an attractive youtube presentation with little fabric animated bees dancing round a stargate that was highly rated by your general membership. At fanfest I met several goons who were even roleplaying bees in real life - they had little plush bee children with them and one chap was dressed up in a giant bee costume waving a goonswarm flag (with a giant bee on it). Even while I served on the CSM I often heard your illustrious leader (DARIUS) conversing with his second in command in a buzzing dialect and making rapid little tapping noises in channel pretending his fingers were mandibles. (Darius also looks a little like a Bee).

Further to in-game ideology - you are part of a swarm. You all serve the brain-goons. You present yourselves on this (largely) in character forum as idiot-level intelligence creatures without the ability to speak, argue or debate coherently and I acknowledge that must take quite a lot of dedication to the roleplay ethos of your organization. Look at the pure number of goonswarm threads with absolutely zero content produced in the last 24 hours! It takes champion roleplayers to so perfectly embody the mindset of tiny hive creatures toiling without conscious thought in banal labour of submission to the swarm.

So I salute your characterisation as vile bugs and horrible swarm things! Many in Eve asked for alien subspecies and you have finally provided the dramatic background for this.

Anyway. Lets not further derail this IC thread. If you want to discuss your roleplay with me further I'd suggest the general forum or maybe SHC.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#27 - 2012-04-06 14:10:32 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
Jade, when you post... are you roleplaying? I can't see how anyone can hold such a strong internet grudge against goons and post so much about us while remaining otherwise fairly lucid. The only other explanation that occurs to me is that the harrassment and trolling aimed at you these past years has actually penetrated your usually thick skin and got you mad - how else could you make sweeping statements about a community of over a hundred and fifty thousand members without seeing the idiocy of it?

Just curious!



How about you address the substance of the post rather than flipping over on your back and claiming injury the first moment you feel threatened.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-06 14:21:39 UTC
i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :)
VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-06 14:23:12 UTC
Lanasak wrote:
You are roleplaying insects. I've heard you refer to yourselves in many many promotional goonswarm videos as bees and I've seen an attractive youtube presentation with little fabric animated bees dancing round a stargate that was highly rated by your general membership. At fanfest I met several goons who were even roleplaying bees in real life - they had little plush bee children with them and one chap was dressed up in a giant bee costume waving a goonswarm flag (with a giant bee on it). Even while I served on the CSM I often heard your illustrious leader (DARIUS) conversing with his second in command in a buzzing dialect and making rapid little tapping noises in channel pretending his fingers were mandibles. (Darius also looks a little like a Bee).

Further to in-game ideology - you are part of a swarm. You all serve the brain-goons. You present yourselves on this (largely) in character forum as idiot-level intelligence creatures without the ability to speak, argue or debate coherently and I acknowledge that must take quite a lot of dedication to the roleplay ethos of your organization. Look at the pure number of goonswarm threads with absolutely zero content produced in the last 24 hours! It takes champion roleplayers to so perfectly embody the mindset of tiny hive creatures toiling without conscious thought in banal labour of submission to the swarm.

So I salute your characterisation as vile bugs and horrible swarm things! Many in Eve asked for alien subspecies and you have finally provided the dramatic background for this.

Anyway. Lets not further derail this IC thread. If you want to discuss your roleplay with me further I'd suggest the general forum or maybe SHC.


blah blah blah anti-goon rant wrapped up in some half-baked analysis. i skimmed this post and there's no way i'm going to read it through for a detailed reply
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#30 - 2012-04-06 14:23:12 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :)


So go cry in the corner about how the world doesn't understand you some more.
Come back when you are ready to have a serious discussion.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-06 14:24:46 UTC
jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!
Hroya
#32 - 2012-04-06 14:26:42 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!


Maybe he will but you dont even read posts made from others because you couldnt be bothered so why should anyone even try are put some effort adressing your concerns ?

You go your corridor but.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#33 - 2012-04-06 14:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
VCBee 180 wrote:
jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!


On the contrary. I addressed that little point with the observation that SA community has brought the RL harrassment practise to eve. Before you guys arrived it was not a lauded "mainstream" activity. Goons made RL harrassment of players a metagame tactic (see Smoske affair, see Lady Scarlet affair) etc etc. You made attacks against the player part of the "game" and applauded the people who use them. You still do it right here in this thread where you support ongoing RL attacks against me.

So I'm not really sure the point you are making by bleating about problems certain goons have had with RL stalkers too.

You brought this problem to eve.

In order for it to be resolved for everyone the goons need to learn to respect RL barriers and end the harrassment of people in real life. Its as simple as that.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-06 14:30:20 UTC
Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category)
VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-06 14:35:28 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
VCBee 180 wrote:
jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!


On the contrary. I addressed that little point with the observation that SA community has brought the RL harrassment practise to eve. Before you guys arrived it was not a lauded "mainstream" activity. Goons made RL harrassment of players a metagame tactic (see Smoske affair, see Lady Scarlet affair) etc etc. You made attacks against the player part of the "game" and applauded the people who use them. You still do it right here in this thread where you support ongoing RL attacks against me.

So I'm not really sure the point you are making by bleating about problems certain goons have had with RL stalkers too.

You brought this problem to eve.

In order for it to be resolved for everyone the goons need to learn to respect RL barriers and end the harrassment of people in real life. Its as simple as that.


do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account.

when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#36 - 2012-04-06 14:35:49 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category)


And the thing you miss little goon alt is that I'm happy to reply to you in such a way as to illustrate your nature as a cowardly little internet troll without credibility or reputation. The fact you've now fallen back to the "lol I wus trolling U" response as attempted damage control for being publicly broken on the wheel of discussion simply demonstrates how pitiful you truly are.

Perhaps next time you should put your virtual fingers in your ears and just type. "la la la I'm not listening la".

It would have about as much credibility.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Hroya
#37 - 2012-04-06 14:39:11 UTC
VCBee 180, Jade does take his time to make coherent replies that provide alot of details and are easy to read.

I wouldnt mind to read similar structured replies both ways and see a mature discussion going. It isnt rocket science.
It isnt a battle of wits or a means to gain power. It is a way to understand things and figure out what role it all plays within a larger setting.





You go your corridor but.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#38 - 2012-04-06 14:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal.

VCBee 180 wrote:

do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.


The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game?

Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise.

I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-04-06 14:49:20 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal.

VCBee 180 wrote:

do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.


The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game?

Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise.

I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.


lmao literally everything in this post is wrong
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#40 - 2012-04-06 14:51:00 UTC
VCBee 180 wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal.

VCBee 180 wrote:

do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.


The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game?

Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise.

I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.


lmao literally everything in this post is wrong


I see you took me up on the suggestion to use the "la la la i'm not listening la" defense after all Roll

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom