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T2 BPO Removal [Support]

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De Guantanamo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-04-06 02:20:47 UTC
o is it that time of year already?

obligatory "you're terrible at eve, consider suicide"
Bluestream3
the Goose Flock
#42 - 2012-04-06 02:35:07 UTC
I think it's funny how there are never any counter arguments in these threads. These threads are always about bashing the OP and never about really discussing T2 BPOs. The funny thing is I think we all know why this is, there are no good reasons to keep them in-game. It's just people trying to protect their investments, and I guess some people just hop on the "bash the OP because he's bad at Eve"-bandwagon thinking they're cool by doing so. At least that's how I see it.
Stella SGP
#43 - 2012-04-06 03:24:55 UTC
Are those TEARS I see coming out of the OP's eyes?

OP seem to have missed the word "persistent" when he signed up an EVE account and wants to blame others for his own personal failure in playing a game!
Stella SGP
#44 - 2012-04-06 03:31:07 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Yeah either introduce the lottery again - make industry a nice equal footing profession again or remove them.

It's simple, it requires little thought to realise how unbalanced this is and unfair to current newer playerbase.

The problem is if they introduced the lottery again and you didn't win, you'll be back here crying again along with all the other peasants.
Brock Nelson
#45 - 2012-04-06 04:51:04 UTC
Oh **** off with this topic..

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-04-06 05:02:44 UTC
You know, there would probably be enough T2 BPOs in circulation by now to eliminate the monopolies if CCP had just continued operating the T2 BPO lottery instead of replacing it with invention.

But whatever, invention is still plenty profitable if you build the right items.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#47 - 2012-04-06 07:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Devan Reale wrote:
Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?

You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.

But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it.


As if T2 BPO's are a common item to be sold.And the ones that are sold, generally cost so much maybe your grandchildren will eventually make a profit on them. Pretty much the only players that have the ISK lying around to buy up T2 BPOs are the ones that already got insanely rich by having another one already.

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Eva Volkova
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-04-06 08:23:58 UTC
I agree T2 BPO are a problem.

If they dont whant to remove them then make them me -25 so its final product is worse than invention.

Invention should be better than T2 BPO and the problem will be solved. Have a BPO that cost more to build or invent it for cheaper product.

Datacores will rise in cost so invention will be more expensive.

In some products (not the most used) there are selling under invention cost and thats a problem.

Invention should be more profitable than a t2 BPO because it takes more time from the player.

CPP has said they are going to change how new items are introduced moving from BPO to BPC.

Removing / making t2 BPO worse is the right move.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#49 - 2012-04-06 10:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
Acorn FB wrote:
Using a broken mechanic (Incursion farmers income) to defend anther broken mechanic (the sloppy distributed T2 BPOs) is kinda dumb.

oh well, running L4s / nullratting / trading works as well of course. Trading probably way better.

Acorn FB wrote:
But since you claim to have bought 5 T2 BPOs the odds are you are not very bright or very rich from some other source, since they sell for such a high price they almost never make economic sense, unless you caught a lucky sale or just looking to invest a mountain of idle isk to get some return for it.

I made the money from. *drums* INVENTION It just works perfectly, im still producing a lot of T2 modules from invented BPC today, and it makes about 10 times more ISK than all my T2 BPO combined.
You dont buy a T2 BPO to make the big ISK, its just a way to sink a too large pile of ISK. Its like the Titan of Industrials.

Acorn FB wrote:
The investment only makes sense on the basis of passive income since a BPO is caple of much longer production runs

*nods*



Possible posting upcoming:
"Oh Gatan, you say you made that ISK from invention, but how is this possible when the evil evil rich 1% and their T2 BPO ruin the invention market?????????????"
Thanks for your question mouth breather.
If you want to invent and produce T2 for a profit you do MATH.
You pick an item that is very profitable to invent and produce, not an item that is not even profitable to produce from a T2 BPO.
Thanks for your attention span.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-04-06 11:08:27 UTC
If you think they are awesome buy one. You'll even start to make a profit in 5-10 years, after you recoup the bpo cost. That is if Eve is still around in 10 years.

If you aren't willing to buy one, they must not be that great. So whats the problem? Does the guy next door have a shinier toy then you?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#51 - 2012-04-06 11:37:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
As stated it is the same old CCP pets on alt accounts who use invalid argument or just personall attacks to protect the one thing in EVE that puts them where they are. These are players who've lived off CCP hand outs in the form of gifted T2 BPO's their entire game life.

I will do my up most to keep this thread at the top of the board so that New players are quickly made aware of the existance of T2BPO and how they were given out by CCP to pet players and corps so that they could undercut new players and feel that they were some how better at industry. The BPO that allows the basic printing of ISK with zero thought or effort that allows you to miss an entire tedious step of gameplay.

Yet again if you bought the T2BPO disregard you should be compensate in full by ISK removed from the seller.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#52 - 2012-04-06 11:44:42 UTC
Bluestream3 wrote:
I think it's funny how there are never any counter arguments in these threads. These threads are always about bashing the OP and never about really discussing T2 BPOs. The funny thing is I think we all know why this is, there are no good reasons to keep them in-game. It's just people trying to protect their investments, and I guess some people just hop on the "bash the OP because he's bad at Eve"-bandwagon thinking they're cool by doing so. At least that's how I see it.

No, this has been debated for years. The points have been made. People who want to get rid of them all have one thing in common, they don't have a T2 BPO. That's really what it comes down to.

No good reason to keep them in game? What about the people who bought them? Think that might **** them off a bit? What about the stats that were just released on how many items are made from T2 BPOs? Should that have any effect on the debate?

These threads are pointless and we get one here like every other month. CCP *does* *not* *care*.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#53 - 2012-04-06 11:50:18 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
As stated it is the same old CCP pets on alt accounts who use invalid argument or just personall attacks to protect the one thing in EVE that puts them where they are. These are players who've lived off CCP hand outs in the form of gifted T2 BPO's their entire game life.

I will do my up most to keep this thread at the top of the board so that New players are quickly made aware of the existance of T2BPO and how they were given out by CCP to pet players and corps so that they could undercut new players and feel that they were some how better at industry. The BPO that allows the basic printing of ISK with zero thought or effort that allows you to miss an entire tedious step of gameplay.

Yet again if you bought the T2BPO disregard you should be compensate in full by ISK removed from the seller.

Wow, you really need to let it go. So I'm a CCP pet? I don't own a T2 BPO. Never have and never will. I've also made billions from invention. Hell I could have bought several T2 BPO's if I wanted. But instead of whining about them as some unfair advantage, I did the math and found out that *gasp* they aren't worth it!

Let it go man.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#54 - 2012-04-06 11:52:34 UTC
Yes you are right CCP don't care about anything that would make the game better they are just intrested in monthly subscriptions. That is why it is important to keep this in the lime light as removing T2 BPO would increasce subscriptions as more people make manufacturing alts.

Far more people in EVE don't have a gifted T2 BPO so removing them makes sense as people will take up the slack with invention alts. If these pets want to rage quit let them they have been ruining eve for long enougth, we can also laught at their fail corps as they drop dead from lack off CCP hands outs, these corps which are basicaly dossers who live on welfare or simply have members of CCP devs amongst them.

Yet again if you bought your T2BPO I totally agree that you should be reinbursed ISK in full from the sellers char.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#55 - 2012-04-06 12:01:30 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
As stated it is the same old CCP pets on alt accounts who use invalid argument or just personall attacks to protect the one thing in EVE that puts them where they are. These are players who've lived off CCP hand outs in the form of gifted T2 BPO's their entire game life.

I will do my up most to keep this thread at the top of the board so that New players are quickly made aware of the existance of T2BPO and how they were given out by CCP to pet players and corps so that they could undercut new players and feel that they were some how better at industry. The BPO that allows the basic printing of ISK with zero thought or effort that allows you to miss an entire tedious step of gameplay.

Yet again if you bought the T2BPO disregard you should be compensate in full by ISK removed from the seller.

Wow, you really need to let it go. So I'm a CCP pet? I don't own a T2 BPO. Never have and never will. I've also made billions from invention. Hell I could have bought several T2 BPO's if I wanted. But instead of whining about them as some unfair advantage, I did the math and found out that *gasp* they aren't worth it!

Let it go man.



Then disregard and no I will not let it go because it is completely unfair. CCP advertises eve as a sand box where players compete in a player own and run universe. This is simply un true, CCP interferes and gives hand outs to a chosen few to keep them at the top when ever possible. New players should be aware of this fact before subscribing to this game.
Gravecall
Nordic Innovations
#56 - 2012-04-06 12:14:41 UTC
So let see, basically T2 BPOs should be removed because not everyone has one and they cost more than some noob can afford?
In that case I'm afraid it'd be the end of most capital ships too, possibly even battleships and most t2 ships as this person seems to be one hell of a noob.

I've bought a few T2 BPOs, wasn't around for the original lottery and it did cost me billions of isk to buy them, but instead of wasting time with an emo-whine I got on with things, grinded my way to riches and bought them.

Am I a CCP alt, or in any way a player favoured by them? No. Heck if you actually did the 20 minutes of research you claim, you'd find that claim of yours is BS, since when a member of CCP was found to have supplied T2 BPOs to allies years ago they were removed from the recipients and re-raffled:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424
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quickshot89
89th Logistics
#57 - 2012-04-06 12:28:16 UTC
This is a sandbox game, nothing is meant to be fair

II will be 6 years old in game next week, I dont care that younger players or older players have more stuff than me, i just get on with it
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#58 - 2012-04-06 12:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauren Hellfury
There is still no good reason to remove T2 BPOs.

If the T2 item is in enough demand that BPO owners can't produce enough then inventors set the price.

If the T2 item is in little enough demand that BPO owners can produce enough then the item would still suck even if you removed the BPO.



That said if you want to do something that will actually get T2 BPOs removed from the game then check the links in my sig. Buy T2H8R shares for 1M and that isk will go towards the removal of a T2 BPO. One of those "money where your mouth is" things, obviously I expect that most of the whiners won't pony up - they'd rather cry to papa CCP to do it for them and that is why they will never achieve anything. Smile

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Blount Apol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-04-06 12:32:32 UTC
lol fourm troll wrote:
Devan Reale wrote:
Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?

You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.

But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it.

Yeah what she said!!!!!!!!!


Agreed!!!!!
Eva Volkova
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-04-06 12:44:46 UTC
Gravecall wrote:
So let see, basically T2 BPOs should be removed because not everyone has one and they cost more than some noob can afford?


Thats not the problem. Was a broken mechanic and CPP changed it. And nowdays we cant compete.

Colector ships are destroyed by use but BPO t2 never expire and thats wrong.

If BPO T2 are good lets have it again. If its wrong lets remove it. Not for one player you can have it and for other you cant.


- Removal
- Make BPO - BPCs with x runs
- Make BPO T2 default me -25 / -50 so they are more expensive than invention.
- Reintroduce BPO T2 (lottery / invention chance etc)