Ships & Modules

anything can kill anything in high enough numbers. i've seen a fleet of rookie ships chew down a tengu. as for the rifter, it just happens to be in the sweet spot between efficiency and versatility that will make you effective in pvp.

Anyone have any ideas on what the fittings would be for them?

Goal: Take down a Vagabond or a Hurricane without letting them warp away

Well I was thinking more "newbie friendly"... than T2 frigs.

Two examples of Rifter fits.

[Rifter, Passive shield tank, AB, no web]
Local Power Plant Manager: Reaction Shield Power Relay I
Local Power Plant Manager: Reaction Shield Power Relay I
Local Power Plant Manager: Reaction Shield Power Relay I

Medium Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I
Limited 1MN Afterburner I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

150mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I,Fusion S
150mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I,Fusion S
150mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I,Fusion S
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher,Mjolnir Light Missile

Small Core Defense Field Purger I
Small Core Defense Field Purger I
Small Core Defense Field Purger I

In the following armor tanked fit, you could put a 400mm plate instead of the 200mm and replace the armor rep with a hardner or reactor control unit, and put some projectile weapon rigs instead of the meh ones here, which would probably be better for PvP, as tank hardly matters in fleet battles.

Also note that 200mm autocannons may also be fit.

With the 3-3 mid-low slots architecture, you can play around a lot with this ship's fitting.

[Rifter, Armor tank, MWD]
Damage Control I
Small I-a Polarized Armor Regenerator
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates I

Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

150mm Light AutoCannon I,Fusion S
150mm Light AutoCannon I,Fusion S
150mm Light AutoCannon I,Fusion S
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher,Nova Light Missile

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I

1) Fitting for 20 rifters to kill a (not empty module slot) Carrier is= (a) 19 tank and gank standard Rifters and one Rifter capable of deploying a Nyx / Erebus etc or (b) 18 normal rifters 1 rifter capable of deploying a Bhaalgor/Curse and 1 rifter capable of deploying a Dreadnaught.

2) To kill a Vaga / Cynabal you need 2 to 4 T1 frigs with 3 midslots [say 1x dual prop and scram and 2x ab web scram] with just enough tank to survive the time it takes them to kill 5 light drones. Shoe horning a nos on at least one of the web and scram fitted ones helps. If you have additional frigs fit them for high orbit 100+ dps (@ 20+kms) and some EWAR. Job done.

Edit: You will also need capsuleers to fly them and people on pcs knowing how to point and click effectively for pvp

All races have solid combat frigates. Minmatar and Amarr only have one, Gal & Caldari have two. T1 frigs are generally considered well balanced by those who fly them.



Come again, you are really commenting ships you haven't even flown in combat?

The Rfiter is easiest to fit and very forgiving for having low SP. Other frigs however can be equally or more capable.

Common and strong T1 frigs:
Punisher, Rifter, Kestrel, Merlin, Incursus, Tristan

Can you link these fits?

Both those ships are very good at killing frigates. They both are likely to have neuts and the former is exceptionally good at dictating transversal and range. Autocannons eat up frigates and to boot they are both very likely to have Warrior II drones (if not EC-300s) so you will need to be on your toes and kill them asap.

To tackle these ships you will need to be fast enough to catch them in the first instance and then hard enough to hit whilst you orbit and kill them. The vaga's weakness is it's low HP so once you scram it you should be able to kill it quickly unless it kills you first. The cane is going to be slower but in the shield-variety will be equally as painful in the damage department.

In terms of ships and fits, an AB-only frigate is unlikely to catch either of those ships unless it starts within 9km of them and gets a scram on. Assuming that is not the case then here is some theory-craft....

I would consider looking into a MWD AF with a scram and a TD as an option, however, their slow speed may still leave you getting kited and splatted by the Vaga in particular. Definitely need a nos on it and even then I think you would need to be very careful how and when you used the MWD.

The other option might be a dual-prop frigate with a scram and again a nos. You would hope to get in close and scram and then mitigate damage with the AB.

But, like I said, both of these ships are frigate-killers.

Edit: If there are a few of you vs 1 then I would get ewar heavy on them. Either loads of EC-300 drones or loads of Tracking Disruptors would probably work well.

You don't say. Wonder who that can be?