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April 3rd Houla.
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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2012-04-05 17:51:04 UTC
Who lives in Huola, Minmatar or Amarr forces ? If it is Minmatar forces, then why should anybody cry about them being able to retake the system so quickly? The age of afk occupancy is over. Your side has to have "boots on the ground", errr, "ships in system" to secure it.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2012-04-05 18:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Check the timestamp on that copy/paste .. system flipped in less than four hours after DT (DT 11.00-11.30).

It doesn't matter if it was bloody Rens/Pator with minnies crawling out of the woodwork, that is simply too damn fast for any kind of 'fun' to be had by anyone ..

Just Sayin' Smile
Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#23 - 2012-04-05 20:04:30 UTC
Got'cha system.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#24 - 2012-04-05 20:41:19 UTC
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.
Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#25 - 2012-04-05 21:04:06 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Check the timestamp on that copy/paste .. system flipped in less than four hours after DT (DT 11.00-11.30).

It doesn't matter if it was bloody Rens/Pator with minnies crawling out of the woodwork, that is simply too damn fast for any kind of 'fun' to be had by anyone ..

Just Sayin' Smile



You don't understand how it works.

Just sayin'
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#26 - 2012-04-05 21:26:18 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.


TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it.
As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz?
Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#27 - 2012-04-05 22:37:51 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.


TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it.
As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz?



Didn't want that system anyway.

And hey, at least we got some intense minor plex fights with the Russians. Pity you guys didn't show up to defend it, though.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#28 - 2012-04-05 23:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Silence iKillYouu
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Check the timestamp on that copy/paste .. system flipped in less than four hours after DT (DT 11.00-11.30).

It doesn't matter if it was bloody Rens/Pator with minnies crawling out of the woodwork, that is simply too damn fast for any kind of 'fun' to be had by anyone ..

Just Sayin' Smile

If it wasn't so dam fast u guys wouldn't of taken it to begin with.
It got taken by the amarr while latenight was offline.

U guys had to plan it for days we just logged in and took it the next day.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#29 - 2012-04-05 23:09:22 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.


TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it.
As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz?
I agree with you. Everybody won. There was a really cool fight at the end. I bet there were tons of cool plex fights along the way, and yet there are still complaints.....
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#30 - 2012-04-05 23:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
X Gallentius wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.


TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it.
As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz?
I agree with you. Everybody won. There was a really cool fight at the end. I bet there were tons of cool plex fights along the way, and yet there are still complaints.....


No we took it after 13 plexes of no fights. They took it a few hours after DT, which is not a great time for us, but seems they at lease got a few frig fights.

Personaly loath frigs so wont fly them. I also dont normally plex, but on the 3rd just formed the fleet expect someone would come kill me.

If anything Houla has shown that flipping a system should take more than 6 hours. Would be nice if a Dev working on FW would pop a note somewhere saying they see the issuse and are planning/have done something about it.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
SigmaPi
Ambivalent Inc
Coney Island Ski Club
#31 - 2012-04-05 23:22:15 UTC
If you had any idea how this stuff works, you'd know that it was a full day + 4 hours from when we could attempt to effect occupancy. It took us 28 hours to take the system from you, and I for one enjoyed every one of those minor plex fights - I think I was in on 43 kills in one afternoon.

gfgfgf.
Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#32 - 2012-04-05 23:30:30 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.


TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it.
As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz?
I agree with you. Everybody won. There was a really cool fight at the end. I bet there were tons of cool plex fights along the way, and yet there are still complaints.....


No we took it after 13 plexes of no fights. They took it a few hours after DT, which is not a great time for us, but seems they at lease got a few frig fights.

Personaly loath frigs so wont fly them. I also dont normally plex, but on the 3rd just formed the fleet expect someone would come kill me.

If anything Houla has shown that flipping a system should take more than 6 hours. Would be nice if a Dev working on FW would pop a note somewhere saying they see the issuse and are planning/have done something about it.



Look how ignorant you are.
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#33 - 2012-04-06 03:22:43 UTC
Darc Kaahar wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out.


TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it.
As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz?
I agree with you. Everybody won. There was a really cool fight at the end. I bet there were tons of cool plex fights along the way, and yet there are still complaints.....


No we took it after 13 plexes of no fights. They took it a few hours after DT, which is not a great time for us, but seems they at lease got a few frig fights.

Personaly loath frigs so wont fly them. I also dont normally plex, but on the 3rd just formed the fleet expect someone would come kill me.

If anything Houla has shown that flipping a system should take more than 6 hours. Would be nice if a Dev working on FW would pop a note somewhere saying they see the issuse and are planning/have done something about it.



Look how ignorant you are.


Nice shades bro.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2012-04-06 05:45:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Darc Kaahar wrote:
You don't understand how it works.

Just sayin'

You do know who/what I am right? If you are a bit hazy on the subject then consult Sasawong .. the two of us were at it while you were still getting tubes inserted in your orifices prior to becoming a pod pilot!
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
If it wasn't so dam fast u guys wouldn't of taken it to begin with.
It got taken by the amarr while latenight was offline.

U guys had to plan it for days we just logged in and took it the next day.

And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous Speed™?

We (meaning everyone but us Euros Big smile) bitched and moaned about the DT shuffle focusing all the action in a 2-3 hour window every day .. exactly the same problem now except the window is determined by players, ie. whenever a TZ allows a blob/absolute superiority to be acquired.

Null didn't like station ping-pong and got an enema. Well I don't like system ping-pong .. where is my treatment? Big smile
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#35 - 2012-04-06 08:19:43 UTC
Why u mad bro?

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#36 - 2012-04-06 09:04:38 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
U guys had to plan it for days we just logged in and took it the next day.


Iol

Sry to tell you that taking Houla was not planned at all. I logged in, say a frig gang plexing in Kamela and undocked a Moa, opened a medium and they ran off after the minor was done. That pissed me off, so I went to Houla looking for a fight, thats how it started. The idea we planned it is so laughable.

I don't plex, why would I plan a fleet like that? Sure there was a small frig gang as well but when isn't there?

The entire time from starting the first plex in houla to the last plex, my fleet was no more than 7 people. Yes there was another fleet as well that made us look around 16 strong, but on our TS 7 dudes for 5 hours.

As for the fight, that was happens when you open your fleet to everyone, pop on amarr comms and tell people theres a bunker to shoot.

Not that W-BR don't plan stuff, we do. Flipping a system however isn't one of them. We've hardly ever plex bar the odd person. That may change but as of now, we in no way plan system flipping ops. We just dont give a **** about it. Atm.



Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#37 - 2012-04-06 13:16:18 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous Speed™?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#38 - 2012-04-06 13:23:54 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous Speed™?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?


Bah, we bittervets remember the glory days of Caldari when we took 5 systems in a single day, with old mechanics. Though when we repeated the gallente standings bug/exploit (working as intended by Gallente CSM until we did, then it was exploit btw) on industrial scale Amarr took 6 systems in a day. Though I would not rank it on same category Lol
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2012-04-06 14:36:32 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous Speed™?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?

Unopposed for 3 hour sprints per system .. that is indeed waaaaaaaay too fast.

PS: Amarr started out with ≤50% the number of systems of all other parties despite being the bad-asses of the cluster .. not only that but the one score systems with Amarr sovereignty are like a merry-go-round where the other three have bottlenecks, killzones, escape routes et al. "built-in" (read: Amarr sucks balls geographically).

But 'meh' .. we'll be grinding EHP for occupancy soon enough so what the hell .. CCP has broken plexing 4 times already (twice by 'accident') and they have given no indication of knowing their heads from their asses with regards to FW so I'd wager whatever they introduce as a "fix" will break it even further/again.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#40 - 2012-04-06 14:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous Speed™?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?

Unopposed for 3 hour sprints per system .. that is indeed waaaaaaaay too fast.

PS: Amarr started out with ≤50% the number of systems of all other parties despite being the bad-asses of the cluster .. not only that but the one score systems with Amarr sovereignty are like a merry-go-round where the other three have bottlenecks, killzones, escape routes et al. "built-in" (read: Amarr sucks balls geographically).

But 'meh' .. we'll be grinding EHP for occupancy soon enough so what the hell .. CCP has broken plexing 4 times already (twice by 'accident') and they have given no indication of knowing their heads from their asses with regards to FW so I'd wager whatever they introduce as a "fix" will break it even further/again.
But it's not all that broken. Anyways, you know how to win Huola back. A measley one or two day "invasion" will no longer work. You'll need to live there, or break the the will of those living there to defend it.
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