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Y-T8 er.... I mean.. Experimental 10mn MWD speculation?
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Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-05 05:49:41 UTC
I noticed on the inferno features page it notes a change to loot tables, but only the removal of meta 0 is specifically mentioned.

I have always wondered if we'd ever see a return to the old days of 8m isk meta 10mn MWDs.

I looked at Jita after reading the features page only to find out someone else had already beaten me to the punch. Straight

Can we hope for a pastebin with the new loot tabelsQuestionTwisted
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#2 - 2012-04-05 06:39:38 UTC
I looted 7-10 of them over the past 3 days with some very light standing grinding.

the drop rate is far to high for any hope of manipulation.

To many people have hundreds, thousands stored away...

I could be wrong.
Lt Angus
Goat Herders
#3 - 2012-04-05 10:39:01 UTC
Sadly too many in existance to ever go up again, had over 30,000 on my alt
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-05 12:14:30 UTC
Lt Angus wrote:
Sadly too many in existance to ever go up again, had over 30,000 on my alt



I dunno, if they return to the drop rates pre-incarna(?), the price will have to rise some.

But you do make a good point. I wonder how many do exist now.
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#5 - 2012-04-05 13:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Jita
why would best named go up if they removed meta 0 that makes no sense.
if anything they would go down because now instead of meta 0 drops you get more named drops.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-05 13:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
Lord Jita wrote:
why would best named go up if they removed meta 0 that makes no sense.
if anything they would go down because now instead of meta 0 drops you get more named drops.


And that is really the question, isn't it?

You are supposing the following:

Quote:
Meta 0 will be removed, and meta1-4 will drop more to make up the difference.



I am hoping that CCP will:

Quote:
Be lazy and revert to an old loot table; but without meta 0 items.



The only thing we know for sure is that loot tables are changing. To what they will change is what we will speculate upon! Pirate



To put this into perspective, I'm hoping for something like what happened with mindlink implants. Missions got added, which change the chance of getting a mindlink mission, prices skyrocket. Anyone remember 20m mining mindlink implants?
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-05 13:45:00 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
Lord Jita wrote:
why would best named go up if they removed meta 0 that makes no sense.
if anything they would go down because now instead of meta 0 drops you get more named drops.


And that is really the question, isn't it?

You are supposing the following:

Quote:
Meta 0 will be removed, and meta1-4 will drop more to make up the difference.



I am hoping that CCP will:

Quote:
Be lazy and revert to an old loot table; but without meta 0 items.



The only thing we know for sure is that loot tables are changing. To what they will change is what we will speculate upon! Pirate



To put this into perspective, I'm hoping for something like what happened with mindlink implants. Missions got added, which change the chance of getting a mindlink mission, prices skyrocket. Anyone remember 20m mining mindlink implants?



Far more likely scenario is that meta 0 items are replaced with scrap metal and all meta 1-4 items will be unchanged. Price will still rise slightly as meta 0 items will cost more and thus make meta 1-4 items slightly more competitive. However this will all be insignificant since most people fit T2 items.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-05 15:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
Taedrin wrote:


Far more likely scenario is that meta 0 items are replaced with scrap metal and all meta 1-4 items will be unchanged. Price will still rise slightly as meta 0 items will cost more and thus make meta 1-4 items slightly more competitive. However this will all be insignificant since most people fit T2 items.


That last sentence is what makes Experimental 10mn MWD interesting.

You see, while it is true that usually the T2 variant of an item is the best item, there are some exceptions where the meta module is superior.

Off the top of my head:

1) ECM modules
2) 1600mm Plates
3) 10mn MWD
4) ECCM modules
5) Target Painters
6) Sensor Damps


In most of the exceptions, the Meta 4 mod has the same positive attributes as the T2 module, but with reduced fitting requirements.

What makes most of these exceptions uninteresting is that most of these modules only belong on certain ships. Plates for armor ships, ECM for falcons, etc.

On the other hand....


Experimental 10mn MWD are used by every cruiser/BC sized ship.

I believe any change in their supply will have major repercussions on the price.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-06 05:31:49 UTC
i don't think the drop rate will change though.
what will happen is meta 0 items normally reprocessed will not be garbage scraps. meaning the minerals from highsec missions will go down drastically.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-04-06 08:02:28 UTC
this thread doesn't even start to make sense....

why would CCP revert to an old loot table w/o meta0 instead of using the current loot table w/o meta0?

also meta MWDs are not unequivocally better than T2 MWDs - you use best named if you intend to use your MWD a lot but if you want to use it mostly in short bursts (and maybe need some capacitor for your guns/hardeners/...) T2 is usually preferable.
Adunh Slavy
#11 - 2012-04-06 08:19:49 UTC
Probably what they will do is remove all loot that is meta 0 and that will be the end of it. The blurb from feature page said no more or less than that.

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Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#12 - 2012-04-06 09:42:20 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:


In most of the exceptions, the Meta 4 mod has the same positive attributes as the T2 module, but with reduced fitting requirements.



Those exceptions are likely to be dealt with as part of the new ongoing rebalancing process.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-06 18:13:52 UTC
Llyandrian wrote:




Those exceptions are likely to be dealt with as part of the new ongoing rebalancing process.



One can only hope.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-06 18:16:23 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:


why would CCP revert to an old loot table w/o meta0 instead of using the current loot table w/o meta0?



Beacuse they've done crazy **** before. Pax is a good recent example. How about the first time they change the drop rate on meta MWD? No one saw that coming.

Florestan Bronstein wrote:

also meta MWDs are not unequivocally better than T2 MWDs - you use best named if you intend to use your MWD a lot but if you want to use it mostly in short bursts (and maybe need some capacitor for your guns/hardeners/...) T2 is usually preferable.


You are right, but there are so few times when the T2 makes more sense, like recons for example.

Can you name another time that the t2 mod is beneficial?
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#15 - 2012-04-06 18:27:55 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
Off the top of my head:

1) ECM modules
2) 1600mm Plates
3) 10mn MWD
4) ECCM modules
5) Target Painters
6) Sensor Damps
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Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-04-06 20:29:06 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
Off the top of my head:

1) ECM modules
2) 1600mm Plates
3) 10mn MWD
4) ECCM modules
5) Target Painters
6) Sensor Damps
Neutras ! Mining upgrades ! Webs !



Add the biggest one of them all . . .
Capacitor power relays!!!!

Seriously look how many people buy Capacitor Power Relay II's (10's of thousands a day) in Jita when the Meta 4 is better and costs half as much.

guess who is looking to unload a couple hundred thousand of these before CCP nerfs them :)

pro-tip - never invest in something that requires eve players to make a smart rational decision

-FM
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-27 12:58:46 UTC
Hmm.... Someone is biting? http://goo.gl/7ARx4
Gank'aho
One within we are
#18 - 2012-04-27 13:19:15 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
I noticed on the inferno features page it notes a change to loot tables, but only the removal of meta 0 is specifically mentioned.

I have always wondered if we'd ever see a return to the old days of 8m isk meta 10mn MWDs.

I looked at Jita after reading the features page only to find out someone else had already beaten me to the punch. Straight

Can we hope for a pastebin with the new loot tabelsQuestionTwisted


The tables are NOT changing. Meta 0 is removed, but the drop rates stay the same for 0-4. Meta 0 was replaced with metal scrap specifically so they didn't have to redo the loot table. There is actually a Dev post about this, but im to lazy to find it again. So if you speculated you done messed up.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#19 - 2012-04-27 14:42:57 UTC
Whats really needed to fix this is a boost to invention on meta usage..

That would get some of the over stock cycled into the system. The current difference between meta 0 and meta 1 is not worth it financially.
Mantra Achura
Stammtisch
#20 - 2012-04-27 19:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mantra Achura
Dont know the post anymore, but one of the devs mentioned about three weeks ago not to change Meta 1-4 but just replace Meta 0 with Scrap metal. If they didn't change their mind, that fact is still the case...