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Rockius
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-05 04:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rockius
I was crunching some numbers on ore and mineral prices in the Dodixie Hub and heres what I found.

All calculations were done using last weeks buy order prices compared to this weeks.


Veldspar ores saw an average 11.50% price increase.

Scordite ores saw an average 13.33% price increase.

Omber ores saw an average 5.4% price increase.

Plagioclase ores saw an average 6.5% price increase.



Tritanuim went up from 4.11 to per unit 4.70 a 12.55% increase

Pyerite went up from 4.65 per unit to 5.62 a 17.25% increase

Isogen went up from 67.04 per unit to 71.00 a 5.57% increase

Mexallon went up from 46.56 per unit to 48.65 a 4.29% increase

Megacyte went up from 2758.14 per unit to 3501 a 21.21% increase

Nocxium went up from 557 per unit to 998.95 a 44.24% increase

Zydrine went up from 966.14 per unit to 1791.96 a 46.07% increase

Morphite went up from 4998.99 per unit to 8450 a 40.48% increase


Did bot bannings cause this increase?

Will prices continue to rise as more accounts get banned?

How will this effect ship production?

Will people become more cautious about pvp since ships will increase in price aswell?
The true worth of a man is to be measured by the objects he pursues. 
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#2 - 2012-04-05 05:02:14 UTC
We'll probably get a lot of inflation, yes, as a lot of money has disappeared from the market.

And I don't think people will stop PvPing because of the prices increase. But I'm not an expert.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#3 - 2012-04-05 05:04:23 UTC
Some of the minerals increases are speculative buying for the upcoming drone region nerf where the rats get their drone poop taken away and replaced with bounties and probably other generic loot like the rest of the rats.

So that explains the high ends like Zyd, Mega, Morp etc.

Eventually, the prices will stabilise when more and more botters get banned, non-botters will see mining as a half reasonable way of earning some isk, and drag the hulks out of retirement again Lol
Rockius
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-05 05:27:56 UTC
How long do you think it will take for the markets to exhaust is supply of ships that were on the market before the bannings and and any estimates on how high ships will go to compensate for the mineral increase.

Also with most botters favouring ice belts and assets/isk being snatched up do you think cap pilots and allliances will suffer hard as ice products begin to dwindle and increase in price. 
The true worth of a man is to be measured by the objects he pursues. 
Skorpynekomimi
#5 - 2012-04-05 05:35:14 UTC
It's quite probably in reaction to the bots causing lower supply. That, and speculation, and just plain demand; goon ice interdiction, more ice interdiction, war in null, and now a potential jita gankfest?
All looks to be pushing demand up, as well.

No matter how much of the market the goons try and knock out, all they're doing is increasing demand for minerals. Ships don't appear from nothing, and somebody has to replace all those destroyed ships and modules.

However, the price rise is only a temporary thing. Soon, more people will be tempted out into the belts to mine the increasingly valuable ores.

Economic PVP
Rockius
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-05 05:44:40 UTC
Just ran the numbers on my 15me drake bpo. Last week it cost 34,813,033.82 to build a drake. Today it costs 46,405,578.46 to build one. They were selling around 42mill last week and are 48mill this week so I went from making 7,186,966.18 profit to 1.6mill profit. Do you think we will start to see people steer from ship building to satutating the market with minerals?
The true worth of a man is to be measured by the objects he pursues. 
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#7 - 2012-04-05 06:17:23 UTC
whoa whoa whoa

These numbers were gotten when?

Last week a few different traders decided to tell people about how much money they invested in the zydrine market because of the drone regions nerf that is incoming.

The past 7 days has seen increases as everyone buys up stockpiles in order to invest in those markets...

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Haulie Berry
#8 - 2012-04-05 06:31:20 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
We'll probably get a lot of inflation, yes, as a lot of money has disappeared from the market.

And I don't think people will stop PvPing because of the prices increase. But I'm not an expert.



Inflation is the exact opposite of what happens when you reduce the money supply.Roll
Brock Nelson
#9 - 2012-04-05 06:33:22 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
We'll probably get a lot of inflation, yes, as a lot of money has disappeared from the market.

And I don't think people will stop PvPing because of the prices increase. But I'm not an expert.


Let me point out the most important part of your post.

Apollo Lyserius wrote:
I'm not an expert.


Money don't disappear from the market Roll

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-05 07:20:34 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
We'll probably get a lot of inflation, yes, as a lot of money has disappeared from the market.

And I don't think people will stop PvPing because of the prices increase. But I'm not an expert.


Let me point out the most important part of your post.

Apollo Lyserius wrote:
I'm not an expert.


Money don't disappear from the market Roll


Money does disappear out of the game. Any items bought from NPC's (LP store, skill books), Taxes, blueprints, charges for wardecs, alliances, etc.

From the eve fanfest:


Monthly q4 average:
6.8 trillion skill books
6.1 trillion blue prints
3.7 trillion fees / taxes
4.6 trillion other sinks.

So yeah, money does disappear from the game, about 21.2 trillion according to the monthly q4 average they posted during fanfest.
Brock Nelson
#11 - 2012-04-05 07:35:04 UTC
21.2 trillion is nothing compared to how much is coming into the game. So it becomes a net increase to the game, not a net loss.

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Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-04-05 23:09:19 UTC
I wonder how much ISK was removed via permabanning accounts. Not as much as it should be, I'm sure.
Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-06 06:16:15 UTC
i saw a dev blog about the 1 wave of banning that was 1-3tril in assets, and 500b in raw isk.
Brock Nelson
#14 - 2012-04-06 06:20:12 UTC
Bans has nothing to do with price increase. Might want to look into Drone poo nerf

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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-06 11:04:52 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Bans has nothing to do with price increase. Might want to look into Drone poo nerf


It's a double whammy of both but I agree that it is currently mostly speculation due to drone poo change.
ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#16 - 2012-04-06 11:35:01 UTC
You guys aren´t taking into account the removal of ALL meta 0 drops. Jester has an excellent article on it: Stool

The speculators are just revving up before the **** is really starting to hit the fan.
Time to dust of those mining lasers. Lol
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#17 - 2012-04-06 11:56:38 UTC
ivar R'dhak wrote:
You guys aren´t taking into account the removal of ALL meta 0 drops. Jester has an excellent article on it: Stool

The speculators are just revving up before the **** is really starting to hit the fan.
Time to dust of those mining lasers. Lol

Yes, these two.

http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

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Sutha Moliko
Giza'Msafara
#18 - 2012-04-06 13:59:54 UTC
During the fanfest, CCP showed their concern about the inflation coming from

1- ISK Faucet > ISK Sink -> too much money = monetary Inflation (decrease of the relative value of money)
2- Mineral prices increase -> Ship prices increase = cost push Inflation
3- Capsulers like to blow ships (Crucible) -> increase in demand + too much money + industrialist adjust their offers slowly = demand pull inflation

So what the bot banning has to do with inflation ?
Not a lot. Apparently most are ice miners
Speculation around the end of gun mining is the main explanation to cost push inflation.

CCP consider Plex as the gold standard (as most of us do). It is the reason why they are going to control Plex prices through a central bank. It will be their main tool to keep control over the inflation by stabilizing the relative value of ISK.
Imho, inflation will grow until the number of industrialist increase (including miners) enough to rebalance the change that will come (end of drone, bot banning, moon mining). Who will suffer the most of inflation ? The compulsive buyers aka PvPer...
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-06 14:29:49 UTC
Back in the days, I could get 1 Tempest with fittings for a PLEX.
3 months ago I could get 4 tempests with fittings for a plex.


Back in the days you needed 8-10 plex to get a fitted carrier.
Now you need 2-3.

A Cap Recharger II used to be 20 million isk.
The first Hawks went for 70 million isk.
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What we have had is prices that are WAY to low due to BOTS.
The results now will be that prices WILL go up accross the board, and this will be AWESOME for new players because of this:

For a 10 day old newbie, the time needed mining to GET the minerals to build a battle cruiser will remain the same.
Said newbie can exchange this commodity for other items in a one-to-one relationship.

Veteran Players will lose a LOT of their edge because their superior ISK stockpiles will cut down on their ability to **** on miners / laboring players.

The pure 'generate ISK' activities will be nerfed by just staying the same.


And, to be honest, a newbie in a rifter can still make a difference in this game. And, the hyper-inflation of T1 ships will make people just use the T2 ships one size down, or T3 ships.
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-06 18:15:37 UTC
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Back in the days, I could get 1 Tempest with fittings for a PLEX.
3 months ago I could get 4 tempests with fittings for a plex.


Back in the days you needed 8-10 plex to get a fitted carrier.
Now you need 2-3.

A Cap Recharger II used to be 20 million isk.
The first Hawks went for 70 million isk.
---

What we have had is prices that are WAY to low due to BOTS.
The results now will be that prices WILL go up accross the board, and this will be AWESOME for new players because of this:

For a 10 day old newbie, the time needed mining to GET the minerals to build a battle cruiser will remain the same.
Said newbie can exchange this commodity for other items in a one-to-one relationship.

Veteran Players will lose a LOT of their edge because their superior ISK stockpiles will cut down on their ability to **** on miners / laboring players.

The pure 'generate ISK' activities will be nerfed by just staying the same.


And, to be honest, a newbie in a rifter can still make a difference in this game. And, the hyper-inflation of T1 ships will make people just use the T2 ships one size down, or T3 ships.



Chears to this!

But why bother with a rifter when you can man up and just kill people with your pod?
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