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never done incursions before - help me pick a ship
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-03-19 22:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
Wingmate wrote:
got any fits for .... ?


The BTL 'Incursions 101' site (http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/incursions-101/) is a very good source for incursion knowledge and decent, sensible, incursion ship fittings. It's also very easy to google when you lose the link, 'eve online incursions 101' always seems to pop it to the top of the list

http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/incursions-101/

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#22 - 2012-03-20 05:26:59 UTC
[quote=Boz Wel] To be honest, Logi 4 is fine for VG's. I've never had any problem running VG's with a couple 4/2 basi's. It just makes it a bit harder to find fleets because there are a lot of Logi 5 pilots around and when people don't know you, they're going to pick the Logi 5 over the Logi 4 most of the time. The nice thing about Logi is that you don't have to invest much ISK into your ship, you don't need to worry about ammo, etc. The downside is that you have to pay more attention during the incursions, whereas DPS is pretty mindless once you know the routine

If you're in it for the ISK, I'd avoid anything other than VG's for the time being. At least from the limited experience I have in the other sites, you're looking at a lengthy wait to form up the fleet and less ISK once you get it running. You are also looking at more risk because people don't know the sites as well

As far as a Nightmare taking up all of your available cash, that may not be a big deal once you get into incursions. If you have ample time to play, it's easy to earn well over a billion in a weekend of blitzing incursions. One way to think about it is you're losing 100 million for every hour you sit around waiting for a fleet invite, waiting on your fleet to form up, etc. and you lose a fraction of that for every hour you spend in a poor fleet that can't do sites quickly or loses all their contests. While a "shiny" ship may cost you a lot up front, it will increase your income from running incursions because it will pave the way to getting into the good fleets.[/quote

As a logi, those DPS and snipers yapping away at comms sometimes really get on my nerves. [:lol:

I wouldn't get a Nightmare right of the bat to be honest. Rule #1 in EVE: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Even if your lose 100M isk/hour if you're not getting into fleets, by getting a T1 ship. It's not inconceivable you'll at least once run in a preloaded site or someone shoots a trigger, while you still haven't earned enough for a replacement (which would be a good 10 hours of running incursions, if you can't cash in the LP)

A good compromise would be getting a Navy ship. Those are quite affordable and will get you into fleets easily enough.

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MrWacko
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-03-20 10:35:51 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
I wouldn't get a Nightmare right of the bat to be honest. Rule #1 in EVE: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Even if your lose 100M isk/hour if you're not getting into fleets, by getting a T1 ship. It's not inconceivable you'll at least once run in a preloaded site or someone shoots a trigger, while you still haven't earned enough for a replacement (which would be a good 10 hours of running incursions, if you can't cash in the LP)

A good compromise would be getting a Navy ship. Those are quite affordable and will get you into fleets easily enough.


Seconding him. Don't get super shiny stuff, simply stick to T2 on a navy ship. You'll be able to buy one should **** hit the fan on your first run.

If you're interested in simply VG's, it's a tossup what's faster, Legion fleets or Vindi/Mach/NM shield fleets. All are rather expensive, though. Assaults/HQ's (the large sites) are occasionally run by armor, but they don't run consistently. Shields run these daily out of Valhalla (see below).

Channels for shield fleets:
BTL Pub - Easily the largest incursion channel. Moderated and stuff, so less garbage. Also has useful info.
The Valhalla Project - HQ/Assault (channel. I find large fleets to be far more fun, but then again I'm biased, as I FC them. I leave that up to you.
ISN Secondary - ISN's public channel.

There are a fair number of other channels that I've probably forgotten/can't remember/whatev. Those are the biggest, and cover all you'd be doing for incursions, if you shield tank.
Death Killer21
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#24 - 2012-03-20 10:49:49 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
is there an in-game channel that i can ask the FCs? the incursion-specific local channels are just Jita with different 'sale' ads, it seems.


Try my channel, i am an experianced fc and are willing to get you into incursions.

Join my channel Deaths Hell Pub

Death killer21

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Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-20 13:46:39 UTC
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nightmare fits and fitting advice


good stuff, thanks =)

Tobiaz wrote:
I wouldn't get a Nightmare right of the bat to be honest. Rule #1 in EVE: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Even if your lose 100M isk/hour if you're not getting into fleets, by getting a T1 ship. It's not inconceivable you'll at least once run in a preloaded site or someone shoots a trigger, while you still haven't earned enough for a replacement (which would be a good 10 hours of running incursions, if you can't cash in the LP)

A good compromise would be getting a Navy ship. Those are quite affordable and will get you into fleets easily enough.

this is what i wasn't sure about. i've already got an apoc navy, and i could spring for a navy issue shield ship if i had to. i am super leery of spending 75% of my wallet on one ship, and would rather earn up a bit first. only problem is that there are no shield navy BSes that are for guns - the tempest is an armor tank, as is the phoon navy, and the scorp navy and cnr are missile boats.

also, mr wacko, thanks for the list of channels.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

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Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-03-20 14:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Ronin
Mathis Athins wrote:
As others have said it is really worth going for the pirate BS even if it breaks your bank. I dropped my entire wallet on a Nightmare a couple weeks ago and in three nights of blitzing Vanguards made it back. You would be surprised how many FC just look for the fact that you are flying a pirate BS that is not fail fit. My fit is entirely T2 unpimped and I have never had to wait more than 5 minutes to get into a fleet. Not to mention you are more likely to get into better fleets.

What you are looking for in a fit is >70% resists all around and >100k EHP (for BSs anyway). This is close to what I fly changed up a bit because you have better skills than I do:

[Nightmare, Pimped]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II

Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


I would also carry IN Multifrequency to switch to when ships get closer. This gives you the ability to hit the first two Deltols (SP?) in OTAs who spawn about 65 KM off while allowing you to wreck the last one who spawns about 35KM off and closes. Sebo helps lock the little guys in NMCs who you want to smack as quickly as possible as you will have a harder time tracking them once they get into orbit. You can drop one of the CDFEs for an Energy Discharge Elutriation rig if you find you are having Cap issues. I have less cap in my fit and find I am fine 95% of the time if I turn off all mods as soon as the site is finished and don't turn them back on until I am landing on grid in the next site. If you get a cap buddy you are fine. The two cap transfers also give you the utility to buddy with a Logi 4 4/2 Basi.



Explain to me, How that is Pimp?

Problems I see with that fitting.

1. Overtanked - All you need for a tank in VG's is "A-Type Inv"

2. Lows - 4x Sansha Heatsinks " You have tracking computers with Optimal Scripts, So you do not need the Tracking Enhancer"

3. Rig's - Were is you're T2 Damage rig? "It increase's You're dps by 70-90"

4. If you use t1 crystals... Ermm - " Conflag or if that is incorrect then the close ranger t2 ammo, You do not need MF"

5. Cap chaining - "This should ONLY be done if a logi D/C's, If you are a detecated cap buddy it can go wrong fi you click yes. Take off the other cap transfer and put a Large Shield Transporter, If the basi is 4/2 with 1 cap xfer on him, This gives him a 40-60 second time window for the fleet to finish the site"

That fitting is T2, Not pimp, Fly with ISN or SSN if you wish to know what pimp is.


Hope that helps. Regards.

ISN.

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Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-03-20 15:23:33 UTC
i think he meant for it to say "unpimp" =)

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

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Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-20 15:25:09 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
i think he meant for it to say "unpimp" =)


haha i think so! ;p

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Mathis Athins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-03-20 18:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mathis Athins
Mathis Athins wrote:
My fit is entirely T2 unpimped


I did say unpimped.

Herr Ronin wrote:


Problems I see with that fitting.

1. Overtanked - All you need for a tank in VG's is "A-Type Inv"

2. Lows - 4x Sansha Heatsinks " You have tracking computers with Optimal Scripts, So you do not need the Tracking Enhancer"

3. Rig's - Were is you're T2 Damage rig? "It increase's You're dps by 70-90"

4. If you use t1 crystals... Ermm - " Conflag or if that is incorrect then the close ranger t2 ammo, You do not need MF"

5. Cap chaining - "This should ONLY be done if a logi D/C's, If you are a detecated cap buddy it can go wrong fi you click yes. Take off the other cap transfer and put a Large Shield Transporter, If the basi is 4/2 with 1 cap xfer on him, This gives him a 40-60 second time window for the fleet to finish the site"

That fitting is T2, Not pimp, Fly with ISN or SSN if you wish to know what pimp is.


Hope that helps. Regards.

ISN.


1. Agreed. OP was afraid of losing his ship so I overtanked it a bit. The CDFEs aren't needed. Going for cheap T2 fit so the A-Type Invuln doesn't apply.

2. Faction heatsinks should be the first upgrade. I had 4 heatsinks originally but had issues with Tamas in NMCs so I swapped one for the TE. My gunnery skills do need a bit of work.

3. Never noticed how cheap those were, you are right there should be one.

4. I use IN Multi to help with the tracking issues I mentioned above. If you have no issues with Conflag on Tamas then by all means use it, it is more DPS.

5. Preference. I have had the 2x cap transfers come in handy a few times, logi d/c, only one basi in fleet, ect... I would much prefer the stability it provides for safety reasons than giving the logi a "window." I just can't see a Shield Transfer having more utility than the second transfer on an already cap hungry dps ship.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-03-20 21:54:29 UTC
Mathis Athins wrote:
Mathis Athins wrote:
My fit is entirely T2 unpimped


I did say unpimped.

Herr Ronin wrote:


Problems I see with that fitting.

1. Overtanked - All you need for a tank in VG's is "A-Type Inv"

2. Lows - 4x Sansha Heatsinks " You have tracking computers with Optimal Scripts, So you do not need the Tracking Enhancer"

3. Rig's - Were is you're T2 Damage rig? "It increase's You're dps by 70-90"

4. If you use t1 crystals... Ermm - " Conflag or if that is incorrect then the close ranger t2 ammo, You do not need MF"

5. Cap chaining - "This should ONLY be done if a logi D/C's, If you are a detecated cap buddy it can go wrong fi you click yes. Take off the other cap transfer and put a Large Shield Transporter, If the basi is 4/2 with 1 cap xfer on him, This gives him a 40-60 second time window for the fleet to finish the site"

That fitting is T2, Not pimp, Fly with ISN or SSN if you wish to know what pimp is.


Hope that helps. Regards.

ISN.


1. Agreed. OP was afraid of losing his ship so I overtanked it a bit. The CDFEs aren't needed. Going for cheap T2 fit so the A-Type Invuln doesn't apply.

2. Faction heatsinks should be the first upgrade. I had 4 heatsinks originally but had issues with Tamas in NMCs so I swapped one for the TE. My gunnery skills do need a bit of work.

3. Never noticed how cheap those were, you are right there should be one.

4. I use IN Multi to help with the tracking issues I mentioned above. If you have no issues with Conflag on Tamas then by all means use it, it is more DPS.

5. Preference. I have had the 2x cap transfers come in handy a few times, logi d/c, only one basi in fleet, ect... I would much prefer the stability it provides for safety reasons than giving the logi a "window." I just can't see a Shield Transfer having more utility than the second transfer on an already cap hungry dps ship.




Regarding 4. You are a NM, You have two Tracking computers plus a tracking buff with the Nightmare itself.. :P

Reagrding 5. It is personal preference but imo and how ISN runs a large shield transporter is more use than 2x xfer's make sure you have some logi drones also!

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Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-03-20 21:56:46 UTC
1. Agreed. OP was afraid of losing his ship so I overtanked it a bit. The CDFEs aren't needed. Going for cheap T2 fit so the A-Type Invuln doesn't apply.

If you are going for a cheap T2 fit, Why are you flying a Nightmare.

Fly a t1 BS.... You are holding the Nightmares true dps/effectiveness back..

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Slippery Surgeon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-03-29 23:11:13 UTC
Hello,

I was researching incursions and came upon this post.

I have never ran a fleet incursion (nothing greater than scout) - I go to the scout level and solo them in a drake with an AB.

Anyways, I wanted to drop this link to you guys.
I found it to be helpful to me, as I am learning about incursions also.
Hope this helps... And better yet, I hope the info and fits here are legitimate.

http://incursions.nexsoft.de/
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-04-04 19:33:16 UTC
just an update.

i wound up running incursions for roughly six or seven hours over the weekend. i flew my apoc navy, and switched between a sniper fit with mega beams and a dps fit with mega pulse. i made about 750m isk. it was awesome!

i won't do them all the time, but i really enjoyed what i DID do, and the LP was nice as well. so i left my apoc in high, and i'll be using it in the future now that i've gotten the hang of it.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-04-04 20:13:41 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
just an update.

i wound up running incursions for roughly six or seven hours over the weekend. i flew my apoc navy, and switched between a sniper fit with mega beams and a dps fit with mega pulse. i made about 750m isk. it was awesome!

i won't do them all the time, but i really enjoyed what i DID do, and the LP was nice as well. so i left my apoc in high, and i'll be using it in the future now that i've gotten the hang of it.



Good to hear dude, Hope you keep earning the ISKY's!!!

Might contest you sometime if you are running a VG :P

Regards.

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-04 20:19:10 UTC
we had a few epic contests as it was. we were running a bit heavy for VGs - had an abaddon, vindi, and my navy apoc dps-fit with a bunch of legions and an OGB - and came in after another group of nightmares and machs...and beat the snot out of them on the site =) my oni was giving me dual tracking speed links, and i was just beating the crap out of the spawns. it was great =) i had a ton of fun!

i think i'd get bored quick if all i did was run them, although i'd have a crapton of cash the way we were raking it in. so i'll probably pop up sometime next week and do them for another few hours.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

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Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
#36 - 2012-04-05 14:13:09 UTC
Maybe a stupid question, but how common are HACs for incursions? Zealot for example doesn't look so bad.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#37 - 2012-04-05 23:50:06 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
is there an in-game channel that i can ask the FCs? the incursion-specific local channels are just Jita with different 'sale' ads, it seems.


log in to the armor channel "The Ditanian Fleet" and simply ask for a good oni fit... 800 plates are ok ( now maybe not on the 24th ) for Vanguards but 1600 plates are needed for assaults & HQ's T2 reppers are frowned upon for oni's due to PG requirements so meta 3 reppers are much much better. 
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