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Why I quit the game today
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Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-04-05 13:06:40 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)

-Liang



I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.


I can't think of anyone that I fly with on a regular basis who hasn't lost most or all of their assets at some point.

Hell, I remember my first trip out to nullsec way back, I lost everything - quit my corp, went back to highsec with barely enough isk to buy a retriever and a hauler (I was miner in those days...), spent two weeks getting back on my feet.

Actually thinking of going back to mining for the first time in years, have you seen the mineral markets recently?

KB Link
BBJ Shepard
#122 - 2012-04-05 13:08:05 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?

I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.

Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.

I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.

So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.

:):

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Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#123 - 2012-04-05 13:20:23 UTC
heh, he got popped trying to cash in on the zydrine speculating.

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Keno Skir
#124 - 2012-04-05 13:22:38 UTC
Contact me, i'll buy u a ship and we can pvp like your talkin about. As for the ship you lost, the person who killed you didn't do it to show off his pvp skills most likely. He probably did it cus you had a bunch of money he wanted in a paper bad dangling on a string from your pocket.

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#125 - 2012-04-05 13:23:40 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)

-Liang

I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.

Frankly, if you keep at playing you will spend a lot more time in the future making money because stuff got blown up. In the end, that's what EVE is about: blowing stuff up and making new stuff to replace the old stuff that blew up. ;)

Also:
- never fly what you cannot afford to lose, and that includes your cargo;
- never put all of your eggs in the same basket.

Hope you continue playing. Yes, you can do it. The next 300 million will come faster now that you know what you are doing.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#126 - 2012-04-05 13:27:46 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.

tabbing out with a cargohold full of stuff being worth more than the ship thats needed to kill yours i'd say you got outsmarted and outplayed.

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#127 - 2012-04-05 13:31:05 UTC
Vetorept Fera wrote:
Something sandboxy happened in the sandbox.



This game is not for you op, move on back to WoW

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Naga Elohim
Aeras Krekan Syndicate
#128 - 2012-04-05 13:34:17 UTC
I have lost "everything" twice in Niarja over a span of five years. Do you know what I have learned during that time? TANK YOUR HAULER!!!!

Yeah, those cargo expanders come in handy, but they do you no good when a tornado or thrasher alphawtfpwns you.

I'll usually fly a bestower with shield extenders, armor plates and inertia stabilizers. Haven't been suicide ganked since!

HTFU, dust yourself off and keep playing! This is EVE and you will lose. Once you have come to terms with that reality, you will have the best experience of your gaming life!
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#129 - 2012-04-05 13:34:45 UTC
Quote:
Uedama and Niarja


Not too long ago, I passed through Niarja in my Orca Alt when I saw a massive fleet of sensor-boosted Tornadoes parked on one of the gates. Thankfully, I jump out in time. Those systems are to be avoided at all costs.

Anyways, as others have said, you're biggest mistake:

You put all your eggs in one basket and took absolutely no measures to protect yourself. Well, I'm assuming you were in a freighter loaded with everything, correct? What ship did you use to haul with really? Also, did you use secure containers in this?

I usually rely on the Orca due to the many advantages it has over any other hauler.

1. Players are not able to scan into your ship bay, corp hangar bay, and the ore hold. Only Faction police have that privilege when it comes to smuggling boosters or illegal tags. This leaves only the standard cargohold to be scannable.

2. If your Orca blows up, any and all items stored in any of the bays other than the cargohold are lost 100% and they never appear in the aggressor's killmail. This makes it easy to sneak loads of expensive stuff. Just make sure that you only fill the standard cargohold will useless junk.

3. Serious tank. On its own, without mods, the Orca is as fragile as a freighter. But with enough trained skills, a careful eye, and proper T2 mods, the Orca's EHP total can go beyond 260,000 which is a lot to eat through. It would take no less than 10-15 max-alpha Tornadoes to kill it and even then the cost of losing that many Tornadoes for measly space mods and no chance of getting anything from the non-standard bays makes it not worth it to gank a F--kOff Orca.

4. Regardless of the advantages an Orca has over a freighter, it is way cheaper than the freighter at about 1/4 the cost.

Adapt or Die
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#130 - 2012-04-05 13:39:10 UTC
But you have to have been autopiloting. Either that or looking away from your screen for longer than 30 seconds + lock time + breaking through your tank time.

The only way you can seriously be caught like that on a gate these days is if you were on autopilot (stupid STUPID STUPID), or had decloaked on the other side of a gate which iirc takes 30 seconds. No-one with an ounce of brain matter uses the warp-to-zero button for travelling now because it's pointless, the auto-jump saves clicking and eliminates the chance of you getting popped.

So logically, either you were on full autopilot, and afk, or, you were alt-tabbed a LOT longer than a few seconds.

Also whatever possesed you to fly your only remaining ship into nullsec? Yeah okay, go looking for PVP fine but at least break the battleship up and sell the minerals, or just sell it outright, and buy 20 rifters or whatever and go PVP in those.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2012-04-05 13:45:51 UTC
9/10 hidden begging for isk thread pls lock.

I have more space likes than you. 
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-04-05 13:59:13 UTC
HTFU. Everything dies.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#133 - 2012-04-05 14:36:57 UTC
300mill ISK? The right to ***** starts at 1 billion ISK minimum.
Pod Potato
Gluttonous Hungers Inc.
#134 - 2012-04-05 17:47:14 UTC
Well... theres always Perpetuum. It's a sandbox MMO, it has PvP and PvE areas. But, the PvE areas there don't have any 'surprise' PvP like what happened to you. Also, Perpetuum has a better training over time model. No clones, no implants, etc. and that means no fear in losing too much in PvP.

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Spacebar Chelien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-04-05 18:04:54 UTC
To everyone saying I'm a troll, I most definitely am not. I don't see how highlighting my corp history shows that I am.

And to everyone that says I'm a hypocrite for ganking in null-sec, I don't follow that line of reasoning. As far as I knew, null-sec was the pvp zone, high sec was a safe place, and low sec was somewhere in-between. If you go into null-sec to mine/trade/pve you are taking a risk that you get ganked but are also going to make a lot more money. There were a lot of trades that I could have made in low sec that I avoided because I knew it wouldn't be worth the risk, and when I flew into low-sec and got my indy blown up I didn't complain. But apparently this isn't the case.
Hamshoe
Doomheim
#136 - 2012-04-05 18:59:45 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Hamshoe wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
... that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?


The 'real life" thing has to die (pardon the pun). There are no real repercussions.

In "real life" when we give a mass murderer the drip (or when the mob kills the bully, for those of you living in non-DP jurisdictions), he doesn't re-spawn with his bank account and possessions intact. When you wreck your car in the commission of a crime, the insurance company doesn't reimburse you. Those are real repercussions.

This is a game, and the analogy is crap.


So, in real life, instead of being put to death for murder, the government just empties your bank account and blows up your car. ZING.



And the concept of "suicide ganking" as a career maps equally well. Getting other people to do it for you, now there's a career.

But it only works in EVE precisely because there are no real repercussions.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#137 - 2012-04-05 19:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Quote:
As far as I knew, null-sec was the pvp zone, high sec was a safe place, and low sec was somewhere in-between.

Well, you knew wrong. High-sec is intended to be safER than other places, but it is not intended to be a completely safe place.

Now it is your call whether you want to admit your mistake and keep on playing, or quit because the game does not match your preconceptions.
sukee tsayah
Southern Cross Silver Shields
Flying Dangerous
#138 - 2012-04-05 19:03:53 UTC
Guys, everyone stop casting accusations and making judgements about something you know nothing about. Spacebar is not a troll. If he was, we wouldn't have killed his Mega in Syndicate yesterday.

Spacebar-

You did great in our PvP ops. In the short time you were with us you got more kills than some of the people in this forum get in a whole year (or their whole EVE career for that matter).

We have a wealth of information for you in our forums and we make ourselves available and accessible through our Alliance channels. You know (and you can't deny this) that I've gone way out of my way to teach new guys like you how to do well in Eve. I've written countless guides for new pilots on how to make isk to PVP with, and how to not lose that isk subsequently. I've FC'ed fleets with 30 pilots where half of them had never PVP'ed before.

As you stated, in one of our ops you got to kill a Thanatos with nothing but a t1 cruiser. One of those in our fleet had been playing Eve for THREE HOURS and he got a carrier kill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpFCk6xurY

Now think about it for a second. We had to jump through a wormhole that took us from Syndicate to carebear land in Fountain in order to catch this Thanatos with his pants down. The only reason this guy was caught was because we leapfrogged over his "eyes" that were watching the systems next door by using that wormhole to catch him. Do you think he consented to PVP? Do you think he thought it was fair that we tackled him with a Stabber and then dropped 30 other t1 cruisers on top of him?

It's how the game works man. PVP exists in every region of EVE, no matter the security level of the system. There is plenty more for you to learn but you have to be patient. Yesterday, before you stormed out and decided to suicide your battleship into the most active PVP region in the EVE universe, I gave you links to show you that this has happened to all of us. All of us had to learn the hard way. Hell, when I was a newb I took a suicide gank loss like yours too. Except I lost a lot more isk than you did. Did I quit? No. I learned from it and never did it again. That's how this game works.

Finally, I think you're onto something when you mention that you enjoyed our fleet fights a lot more than our ganks. Naturally. That's the most fun part of EVE. I would much rather get in a huge fleet fight than gank a sole ship. With that said, killing carriers with t1 fitted cruisers is also a great hobby of mine. I enjoy it because of how rare and hard it is to do. You may think it's not PVP but it's actually exactly how EVE's PVP is supposed to work. Eve's PVP is intelligent. It involves a lot more than point and shoot. You need to think on your feet, you need to have intel, and you need to know enough about the game to make quick decisions that will likely cost you your ship and most likely your whole fleet (hence why I love to FC). Just as easily as we ganked that Thanny, he could have had a fleet of battleships next door that could have decimated our cruiser fleet. If that would have happened, you wouldn't have heard any of us talking about how unfair that is. It's the game.

I'm really bummed that you decided to do what you did. Did I enjoy blowing up your Mega? No. Did I want another alliance in Syndicate to blow it up instead? Hell no. That's why I gave everyone the order to blow up your ship.

As a parting shot I would recommend that you think twice about quitting. I saw that you sent me the rest of your isk. I appreciate the thought and I think you did it because you appreciate the time I took to teach new players like you how to play the game, but again: I don't need it. If you tell me right now that you'll reconsider, that isk will be sent right back to you (and then some), and I promise to spend as much time as you need in order for me to go over some of the other nuances in EVE, such as the experience you just went through.

That's as much as I'm willing to say here, except for one thing: Jayarr...shut the f&%$ up.

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xHxHxAOD
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2012-04-05 20:09:32 UTC
it was a great and quite fun bc it got us more pvp but im an @ss so im fine with
Kemonia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-04-05 20:13:28 UTC
sukee tsayah wrote:
Guys, everyone stop casting accusations and making judgements about something you know nothing about. Spacebar is not a troll. If he was, we wouldn't have killed his Mega in Syndicate yesterday.

Spacebar-

You did great in our PvP ops. In the short time you were with us you got more kills than some of the people in this forum get in a whole year (or their whole EVE career for that matter).

We have a wealth of information for you in our forums and we make ourselves available and accessible through our Alliance channels. You know (and you can't deny this) that I've gone way out of my way to teach new guys like you how to do well in Eve. I've written countless guides for new pilots on how to make isk to PVP with, and how to not lose that isk subsequently. I've FC'ed fleets with 30 pilots where half of them had never PVP'ed before.

As you stated, in one of our ops you got to kill a Thanatos with nothing but a t1 cruiser. One of those in our fleet had been playing Eve for THREE HOURS and he got a carrier kill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpFCk6xurY

Now think about it for a second. We had to jump through a wormhole that took us from Syndicate to carebear land in Fountain in order to catch this Thanatos with his pants down. The only reason this guy was caught was because we leapfrogged over his "eyes" that were watching the systems next door by using that wormhole to catch him. Do you think he consented to PVP? Do you think he thought it was fair that we tackled him with a Stabber and then dropped 30 other t1 cruisers on top of him?

It's how the game works man. PVP exists in every region of EVE, no matter the security level of the system. There is plenty more for you to learn but you have to be patient. Yesterday, before you stormed out and decided to suicide your battleship into the most active PVP region in the EVE universe, I gave you links to show you that this has happened to all of us. All of us had to learn the hard way. Hell, when I was a newb I took a suicide gank loss like yours too. Except I lost a lot more isk than you did. Did I quit? No. I learned from it and never did it again. That's how this game works.

Finally, I think you're onto something when you mention that you enjoyed our fleet fights a lot more than our ganks. Naturally. That's the most fun part of EVE. I would much rather get in a huge fleet fight than gank a sole ship. With that said, killing carriers with t1 fitted cruisers is also a great hobby of mine. I enjoy it because of how rare and hard it is to do. You may think it's not PVP but it's actually exactly how EVE's PVP is supposed to work. Eve's PVP is intelligent. It involves a lot more than point and shoot. You need to think on your feet, you need to have intel, and you need to know enough about the game to make quick decisions that will likely cost you your ship and most likely your whole fleet (hence why I love to FC). Just as easily as we ganked that Thanny, he could have had a fleet of battleships next door that could have decimated our cruiser fleet. If that would have happened, you wouldn't have heard any of us talking about how unfair that is. It's the game.

I'm really bummed that you decided to do what you did. Did I enjoy blowing up your Mega? No. Did I want another alliance in Syndicate to blow it up instead? Hell no. That's why I gave everyone the order to blow up your ship.

As a parting shot I would recommend that you think twice about quitting. I saw that you sent me the rest of your isk. I appreciate the thought and I think you did it because you appreciate the time I took to teach new players like you how to play the game, but again: I don't need it. If you tell me right now that you'll reconsider, that isk will be sent right back to you (and then some), and I promise to spend as much time as you need in order for me to go over some of the other nuances in EVE, such as the experience you just went through.

That's as much as I'm willing to say here, except for one thing: Jayarr...shut the f&%$ up.

www.figl-alliance.com



Well said.

Re-join them Spacebar, they seem a good alliance with a good leader Big smile