EVE General Discussion

No, read above about mineral concerns, e.g. meta 0 replaced with meta 1+. Can't effectively remove the mineral content especially high end sources without it effecting regional supply characteristics.

If anything the intriduction of more meta 1+ could help to curb their prices, whilst retain the balance for some mineral sources. Simply removing a vast majority of meta 0 mineral content could cause a bigger impact to some industrial capabilities. It would potentially be a shock to the system. Low end mineral losses could be made up by mining, but the high ends where sources are not avialable from mining in certain regeions would have that distribution simply lost. So if other regions then have moer control over that supply they can enact more market control of those goods and services, which includes most Ships and large spectrum of goods to some extent.

Yes the risk/rewards is inherent in the mineral composition already. That is why lower securities have better mineral compositions, the risk/reward element is already inherent in the system. As such regional bias is apparent, null has more ABC than low etc etc. So there are regional distinctions. E.g. where in high sec can you mine morphite? If there weren;t regional distinctions it would have its own source.

I'm sorry but all I see is more being taken away with regional bias and it enforcing more exclusivity based on regional boundaries.

And what over supply of minerals? Why do you think prices have recently sky rocketed both in minerals and goods?

So we are at least agreeing then, the distributions are different and waylaid according to risk and reward.

Yes mining will improve. But where minerals don't exist as a mining source it doesn't improve industrial capabilites does it as there literally is no source.

What it does allow is more manipulation by regional influence to effect different economies. For instance lets take the situation where politically all morphite is sourced from null/wh. If they then decided to stop supplying HS it would ultimatley mean all T2 production in HS would stop. Extreme situation perhaps, but possible none the less.

Likeiwse they would then ultimatley control T2 production and potentially pricing in markets. Again extreme examples but plausable as an intent. When you consider the incentive for null to push high sec pilots into null for personal gain why would they not begin to manipulate the markets to encourage such. Why like their farms and fields intiatives would they not see to influence CCP to make these decsions in favour of these positions.

Whilst I sympathise with null for wanting to make things more attractive, they are doing this with drone poo removal, the idea to incentivise mining in null, this was/is the main reason behind it. But I have a prediction it will literally do bugger all for mining, as people wont get off their arses to do it, either due to lack of interest or due to risk aversion for the rewards that are already staring at them in the face in the asteroid belts. Meanwhile this shifting of economic bias effects all other economies as a result. So i predict it will be more likley an economic **** up by certain CSM6 politicians as a result.

So when this model may end up with a further bias in the distribution of high end sources (like megacyte which is even needed for most of T1 ship production) which effect certain regions more than others why shouldn't i be concerned? It has the potential to be an economic disaster for your regular pilot who wants to buy his gear and get on with things.

Ultimatley I don't mind for myself personally, as price hikes due to mineral supply shortages I can capatalise on, but if things were to ever dry out so as to conflict with actual capabilities for production due to exclusive rights or access to sources then it doesnt really matter about all the other manufacturing materials related to production and how much there is, any loss in the chain will mean an inability to produce.

As such I'm usnure wether the argument of incentivise null should be at the expense of shut down high, and whilst might be an extreme view is still a valid concern as th slow chipping away at capabilities effects more people. And I won't except the view that people should be moving towards null as and end game choice or that they should be lackeys in a big game of alliances. The idea pf personal choice should be apparent and as such those choices shouldn't be restricted by more game mechnics that introduce an "exclusion" of options.

One question I will ask CCP other than wether than can clarify loot drop mechnics, is if drone poo doesn't incentivise mining in null as was suggested it will do so, will they continue this process of economic pressure until they find the straw that breaks the camels back? Assuming they get to that point before unrest and then the loss of customers/pilots?

It is but that doesn't mean we can't be helpful when weak and erratic impulse strikes us.

This will not happen unless all of null sec comes under one alliance, and even then, someone will cheat the cartel. Morphite is spread around null sec, it's distribution is not like some of the moon goo. Let's suppose someone did try to make a cartel for morphite, the price will go up due to the shortage, this will increase the incentive for someone to cheat, and cheat first. Competition will ensure the materials get to market.

Also, if you're worried about price manipulation, trust me, it's not coming from the big alliances, it comes from well, people like me in one and two man corps loosely organized with other manipulative greedy capitalist pigs.

LOL!

There are a great many mission-runners out there who could switch over to flying perfect Hulk + Orca fleets tomorrow if mining became more profitable than mission-running or Incursions. There will be no 4-month ramp up time, there will be at most 24 hours that it takes to jump to the mining clone.

Supply of minerals will not stop. There is no monopoly. The only thing that will change is the prices of those minerals, and those changes will apply to everyone: speculative traders will make sure of that.

IT... WON'T... CHANGE... A... SINGLE... THING

The T1 market has been healthy already for quite a while, easily making a 25% profit on sales as long as you don't sell in Jita.

But just look at the market for meta1 and meta2 and you'll see how insignificant the input of mods on the market by the mission-runners truly is. They mostly reprocesses everything for much easier sold minerals, except the meta3 and meta4 because those are worth enough to sell because of the T2 invention and some very tight ship-fits.

Every botting account that is banned is at least three more actual player accounts that get to make ISK from mining instead. No one player needs to fill the gap, since there will be a half dozen players willing to fill that hole in the economy.

Btw. buy Zydrine!