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Freighter prices through the roof??

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#21 - 2012-04-04 17:07:49 UTC
At one time mining mercoxit in null was one of the highest isk/hour activities. I have never heard of mercoxit being mined in wormhole grav sites but i guess it is possible. The primary source for morphite is currently drone poo. After the drone POO nerf the primary source will be upgraded sov 0.0 space

Most 0.0 alliances are PVP focused using ratting and combat sites to generate the income they need to buy everything they want. However once the drone POO is nerfed there will be a major shortage of morphite and other null sec minerals need to produce what the PVPers want to buy. Null sec industry will become mandatory for any null sec alliance that wants to field T2 equipment

Since most 0.0 alliances do not actively support/require a mining division it is hard to find a system with the appropriate upgrades. When this changes 0.0 mining will again be a high income activity. required alliance mining ops and manufacturing will again become common place. Null sec warfare will get more complicated and fun as it will no longer be just about who has the biggest guns but who has enough industry to support and replace their big guns. small alliances will be able to weaken larger alliances by attacking there industry and supply lines

A new age is upon us in EVE. It will bring many changes, most for the better. Anti indy alliances will adapt or fall. Many small alliances currently dwelling in NPC null will look to move back to 0.0 space where they can establish there own sovereignty and support there alliance thru industry rather than rely on the ratting that was nerfed during the sov changes. Smaller corps will then be able to move into NPC controlled 0.0 and get a foot hold in null. I see a lot of great things happening in EVE this summer that will only make this game better for everyone. Just maybe it will be enough to reduce some of the less desirable activities that have become so common place such as the blob tatics in null

These changes will increase the demand for null bears. There are many high sec industrialists (carebears) that would like to move into null, but are discouraged by the animosity most PVPers feel towards carebears prevents this from happening. These changes may just force the null sec PVPer to realize just how important these other players are to keep there game going. If we can over come that stigma EVE will become a much funner place for everyone. Even the gankers. An increase in null bears will mean an increase in gank targets traveling through low sec. And an increase in small scale combat everywhere. Large fleet battles will still continue but an empires survivability will be much more dependent on keeping there industrial divisions safe.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#22 - 2012-04-04 17:09:08 UTC
Elijah Craig wrote:
I am very concious of the reduction of Bot activity will also drive long term higher mineral prices.


Also the removal of price ceiling items which were NPC-sold and could be reprocessed into minerals at a competitive price (shuttles, Pax Amarria, etc).

I think, unless CCP heavily nerfs anoms / incursion income, it's probable that hi-sec ores will end up at around 200 ISK/m3 (about 20M/hr solo for a hulk pilot) and null-sec ores should settle in at around 500-600 ISK/m3 (50-60M/hr). Which will make mining as a primary career more viable then it was last year, but still less then running L4s or anoms or incursions.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if CCP takes their finger off the bot-ban button and hi-sec ores drop back down to 100-150 ISK/m3. Or that it rises to 250-300 ISK/m3 in hi-sec for a short-while before settling out come July.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-04 17:17:17 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
Suicide gankers are rethinking their profit margins and buying fewer ships.


Profit margin? Suicide ganking? I suicide for fun, not for profit, more people should too.


CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2012-04-05 09:00:00 UTC
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Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-05 10:58:22 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
These changes will increase the demand for null bears. There are many high sec industrialists (carebears) that would like to move into null, but are discouraged by the animosity most PVPers feel towards carebears prevents this from happening.


You mean like this kind of thing?

Quote:
I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1047722#post1047722

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).

Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#26 - 2012-04-05 11:06:11 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

And for "how much minerals go into a freighter", it is approximately (for an Obelisk):

Trit: 95,003,797
Pyr: 12,588,101
Mex: 4,686,735
Iso: 679,873
Nocx: 200,416
Zyd: 31,525
Mega: 11,261

Which puts build costs at around 1.12B ISK right now. Tritanium is approximately 50% of the build cost, Mex is about 15% and Nocx is about 8%.



But isnt it a known fact for years that if you mine your minerals yourself they are basicly free ?
Claire Voyant
#27 - 2012-04-05 13:48:59 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals?
If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop?

Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that.

So 10% of null sec has been providing 40% of highends but that's going to end? Panic time! That means that those other 90% that have been supplying 60% of the high ends will now have to do their fair share. I guess all those people who have been "not mining" will have to increase their "not mining" by 50%. It's the end of the world as we know it. We will all have to go back to flying noob ships because that will be all we can afford.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-04-05 20:52:36 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals?
If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop?

Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that.

So 10% of null sec has been providing 40% of highends but that's going to end? Panic time! That means that those other 90% that have been supplying 60% of the high ends will now have to do their fair share. I guess all those people who have been "not mining" will have to increase their "not mining" by 50%. It's the end of the world as we know it. We will all have to go back to flying noob ships because that will be all we can afford.


lol what...

combat mining = something like 40% of the high end minerals
no more combat mining...
one can easily speculate 40% increase in prices.... whats so hard to understand here.
Claire Voyant
#29 - 2012-04-05 21:25:25 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
lol what...

combat mining = something like 40% of the high end minerals
no more combat mining...
one can easily speculate 40% increase in prices.... whats so hard to understand here.

Because prices have already double for some highends and people are predicting insane levels like 2000% increases.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#30 - 2012-04-05 21:53:18 UTC
Frieghters, Carriers have doubled too. So have Dreads.

60% of a ship is Trit.
Trit is at 5.51 in Jita and mining trends have changed. When I am in noob corp I preach to the new miners, mine Veld, mine Veld, mine Veld but they want to get some excitement and a measure of progress. Any old time miner knows you can find a dead end system and mine Dense Veld in to oblivion. Best done in an .8 or .9 system because the gankalot gang aren't fussy about .8 or .9 Concord timers. Even myself, knowing better I will scan out a grav and mine Jaspet or Hemo rather than focus on the Veld that I know will make me more ISK.

Being a Veldspar miner is the 'Uncle Owen' job of EVE but it's the backbone of the game too.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

stoicfaux
#31 - 2012-04-05 23:32:06 UTC
So no chance that people are buying up freighters now on the supposition that after the ship balance pass, freighters will only need faction industrial IV thus dramatically increasing the potential customer base? (Barring CCP changing their mind about BS IV and Industrial IV being prereqs for cap ships.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Saidin Thor
The Odin Conspiracy
#32 - 2012-04-05 23:48:29 UTC
I'd assume that freighters are enough of an investment that the time barrier to entry is pretty irrelevant during most people's consideration, but I could be wrong.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#33 - 2012-04-06 00:19:29 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
So no chance that people are buying up freighters now on the supposition that after the ship balance pass, freighters will only need faction industrial IV thus dramatically increasing the potential customer base? (Barring CCP changing their mind about BS IV and Industrial IV being prereqs for cap ships.)



It's a possibility, I'd not considered that coming up on the horizon *rubs hands*.

Still, it would be a *massive* gamble. When and if that happens is up in the air, it's certainly not looking to be a quick thing, so people would be holding huge quantities for some time and banking on minerals not tanking in the interim. And more specifically, they're banking on trit and mex not tanking in the interim.

Of the 8.3b of minerals I have tied up in freighter production at any given time, 4.1b of that is trit and 2.1b is mex. Whilst people are quite bullish about high end minerals with drone changes etc I'm not so sure the same strength of confidence is there for trit and mex.

Incidentally, I've been recording build prices every 12 days since early August and since 21/Oct (when an ME3 Fen had a 681m build price) the build costs have risen each and every 12 days since.
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