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The tyranny of the training queue

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Zaerlorth Maelkor
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-04-03 13:23:45 UTC
Xioden Acap wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just be glad that there is a queue.


Ahh yes... The good ole' days of cranking up the speakers before you went to bed and being woken up at 3am to EVEMon blasting "SKILL TRAINING COMPLETE"...


I would give this post 1000 likes if it were possible, instead you will have to settle for 3... Big smile
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#22 - 2012-04-03 13:33:11 UTC
I remember when the queue first came and wonder of putting all those rank 1 lvl 1 skills I had skipped to queue all at once.
Worst thing about queue was those 5-10min skills that pretty much ensured you had to wait for those 10min doing nothing or dragging all the books with you.
Hell, we didn't even had a remapping back then so if you had bad attributes, well too bad for you suck it up baby. Shocked

Newbies have no idea how lucky they are with all these skill queues and multiple remaps and even tutorials that actually try to teach you at least something.
MamerJamer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-04-03 16:23:56 UTC
Xioden Acap wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just be glad that there is a queue.


Ahh yes... The good ole' days of cranking up the speakers before you went to bed and being woken up at 3am to EVEMon blasting "SKILL TRAINING COMPLETE"...



Wow...You have no idea. Spent the first few years like that. Those midnight to 4am skills finishing were the worst.....but worth it...

To those who complain, you have it soooo easy in Eve now from skill training to..well..everything. It is spoon fed to you and ccp cleans your mouth with the bib after each mouthful. Grow up.

We didn't have tutorials, we threw mods on ships and went "hmm, lets see what this does" commonly known as famous last words in pvp, right next to "well..that didn't work" and "Real men HULL TANK". If you can not have the forward thinking of knowing that you will be away for more than a day and changing your skill training to a longer skill, I am sorry. It happens. Since 03, it pisses me off if I ever have downtime not training. It has been a year or so since the last slip up, but I know for a fact that I probably have added a total of 10 full days in those years where I could have been training something..........it keeps me up at night man....
Elsbeth Taron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-04-04 13:32:44 UTC
MamerJamer wrote:
Xioden Acap wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just be glad that there is a queue.


Ahh yes... The good ole' days of cranking up the speakers before you went to bed and being woken up at 3am to EVEMon blasting "SKILL TRAINING COMPLETE"...



Wow...You have no idea. Spent the first few years like that. Those midnight to 4am skills finishing were the worst.....but worth it...

To those who complain, you have it soooo easy in Eve now from skill training to..well..everything. It is spoon fed to you and ccp cleans your mouth with the bib after each mouthful. Grow up.

We didn't have tutorials, we threw mods on ships and went "hmm, lets see what this does" commonly known as famous last words in pvp, right next to "well..that didn't work" and "Real men HULL TANK". If you can not have the forward thinking of knowing that you will be away for more than a day and changing your skill training to a longer skill, I am sorry. It happens. Since 03, it pisses me off if I ever have downtime not training. It has been a year or so since the last slip up, but I know for a fact that I probably have added a total of 10 full days in those years where I could have been training something..........it keeps me up at night man....


lmao! when I were a lad we had to run to river to wash ourselves before breakfast and that were in mid winter

It's a game, not something to compensate for your lack of penile length. I think you're the one who needs to "grow up". To all the others who believe having it hard makes you look big, well it doesn't. Remembering the good old days adds nothing to the quality of the game.

The only solid response in this thread stated it's all about the money, which is true! Eve is a commerical enterprise and anything that removes unnecessary aggro from the game - such as the learning skills - can only benefit the game as a whole, by helping retain new players. Without them you would have noone to listen to you brag about how marvellous you are for surviving those harsh years.
MamerJamer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-04-04 14:51:01 UTC
And through the use of a Alt on another character, I do run a corp devoted to helping newer players in the harsh universe of Eve. Thank You! I don't accept everyone, but take the time and effort to find them on my own and determine which ones would actually benefit from my assistance.

You take the responses way to critical. Perhaps with other older players you may run into ego's, I look at EvE as something in my spare time to just get away from working two jobs seven days a week and chill out and talk to the guys in my corps and just have a good time.

Calm down, its just internetz spaceship pixels!!

As for ccp. We have to assume that regardless of the good and bad and scams, whether they be internal or external issues, that in the end they will maintain their focus of what they want EvE to be.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2012-04-04 17:34:53 UTC
Complete non-issue.

If you can't play, you can't play, so you can't change your skills so you can't “progress” (which is the wrong word for it but still…).

If you so desperately want or need those SP, make sure to get them. There are plenty of solutions for it already. Breaking a significant game mechanic by haphazardly throwing unallocated SP into the game isn't a good solution to you not managing your time.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#27 - 2012-04-05 00:39:07 UTC
Elsbeth Taron wrote:
lmao! when I were a lad we had to run to river to wash ourselves before breakfast and that were in mid winter

It's a game, not something to compensate for your lack of penile length. I think you're the one who needs to "grow up". To all the others who believe having it hard makes you look big, well it doesn't. Remembering the good old days adds nothing to the quality of the game.

The only solid response in this thread stated it's all about the money, which is true! Eve is a commerical enterprise and anything that removes unnecessary aggro from the game - such as the learning skills - can only benefit the game as a whole, by helping retain new players. Without them you would have noone to listen to you brag about how marvellous you are for surviving those harsh years.
Yes it's a game, with a mechanic which enables you to train small skills as well as long ones.
If you cannot organize yourself to set skills every now and then, whenever your skill sheet reaches that last 24 hours, then that is your issue not the games. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-05 01:38:05 UTC
Xioden Acap wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just be glad that there is a queue.


Ahh yes... The good ole' days of cranking up the speakers before you went to bed and being woken up at 3am to EVEMon blasting "SKILL TRAINING COMPLETE"...


I swear that sometimes that VOICE and that PHRASE invade my dreams to this day, long after the implementation of the skill queue. That and the wormhole activation sound, but that's still relevant I guess.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-04-05 03:24:04 UTC
Perpetuum's character progression is based on SP accumulation over time and then you can purchase whatever rank you want in whatever desired skills, much like what the OP wants for EVE.

If this change were to be applied in EVE, the generally accepted standard would shift in favor of unassigned points rather than well trained characters and make a mockery of the thought and skill that goes into planning a proper character.

By making this change you would effectively be devaluing the entire existing character base who have any skill points that are not focused on whatever someone specifically wanted.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#30 - 2012-04-05 04:28:14 UTC
The OP has a point in that it could be done a little better.

OP fails in how to fix it.

Answer is far simpler.
Allow toons to have atleast 2 skills in que no matter how long they are.
Still leave the 24hr aspect for 3 or more skills to be trained in next 24hrs.

OMG problem solved.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#31 - 2012-04-05 06:35:04 UTC
MamerJamer wrote:
Since 03, it pisses me off if I ever have downtime not training. It has been a year or so since the last slip up, but I know for a fact that I probably have added a total of 10 full days in those years where I could have been training something..........it keeps me up at night man....


It's somehow comforting to know that I'm not alone with these anxieties.

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Gantz Tleilax
Divided Unity
#32 - 2012-04-05 07:04:23 UTC
I agree. I travel a lot, and sometimes weeks go by where I just can't log in. An example is I'm headed to the Galapagos next month for over a month. I have better things to do there than try to fine satellite Internet.

If I'm paying my subscriptions then I should be getting skill points. Sometimes life is real and Eve needs to be second to it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2012-04-05 09:55:00 UTC
Gantz Tleilax wrote:
Sometimes life is real and Eve needs to be second to it.
Yes, so don't let something as inconsequential as SP take over your life.

If you can't make use of the time you're paying for, maybe you should… you know… not pay for it.
Gantz Tleilax
Divided Unity
#34 - 2012-04-05 14:14:20 UTC
It doesn't. But it would be nice to come back and not have several empty skill ques.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2012-04-05 14:36:46 UTC
Gantz Tleilax wrote:
It doesn't. But it would be nice to come back and not have several empty skill ques.

So don't. You'll be gone for over a month — don't pay for that month, and you'll come back with a couple of half-done skill queues.

Sure, if you're on quarterly or longer payment periods, it might not be that flexible, but still: if you can't play for a month, perhaps you should consider not paying for it. Simple.
Varlann
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-04-06 18:08:05 UTC
I am a player somewhat like the OP. I'm casual, but am serious when I play. Real life creeps in all too often, and at times, I'm away from the game for a few days.

There has been occasion I've logged in to an empty training queue. The only person at fault in that situation is me.

Frankly, the SP system is one of the things I like. You can't just go on a "grind fest" and jump ahead of everyone. It requires a more careful approach with some planning. And as a casual player, as long as I keep my queue active with the right skills, I can indeed keep up with more hardcore players.

I do understand where the OP is coming from. It's frustrating, but its the way the game is devised, so we simply have to deal with it.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#37 - 2012-04-07 21:22:44 UTC
Xioden Acap wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just be glad that there is a queue.


Ahh yes... The good ole' days of cranking up the speakers before you went to bed and being woken up at 3am to EVEMon blasting "SKILL TRAINING COMPLETE"...



I never did that - I just put in some long skill when I knew the one I was training for would finish at an inconvenient time.

On a side note, I think Perpetuum does what the OP suggests - looks convenient at first but makes alt training way to easy - buy an account for a year, log in a year later and spend the SP according to the current FOTM. No thanks.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#38 - 2012-04-07 21:46:56 UTC
go play a game that requires constant grinding to advance, then tell me this system is flawed
Elsbeth Taron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-04-08 16:30:44 UTC
Potamus Jenkins wrote:
go play a game that requires constant grinding to advance, then tell me this system is flawed


Still saying it has a flaw.

Plenty of responses, most of them to "prove" the intellect of the posters. Roll Few addressing the reason for the OP.

In addition to what I said: the learning skills were removed because they contributed nothing to the game play. Why not remove this headache from the game as well? Increasing the length of the queue would have a similar effect.

Having the chance of a cessation of skill training adds nothing to the game, or am I missing something?
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#40 - 2012-04-09 00:46:04 UTC
Elsbeth Taron wrote:

The player has paid for the gametime and as the training is time sensitive it makes sense that this time not be lost.


What happened to people being responsible for their own actions? It's your responsibility to make sure you don't let the skill queue empty, just as it's your responsibility to dress yourself in the morning.

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