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Does anyone know what is a reasonable time for a GM/CCP or someone to respond to a report BOT action issued in game. Its been 2 weeks since I've reported a blindly obvious Market BOT and nothing has happened? I realise there are bigger fish to fry and ( and are being fried) but trading is my main activity.

I've found since the initial BAN a few weeks ago the market bots are increasingly interfering with the market again...

My assumption is the Report Bot button is more of a feel good item, and/or requires multiple hits on the same toon to get any action (...personally I don't actually expect more from this feature, and god knows how many times it get used or misued a day)

One reason I'm pushing with this market bot to go in this thread is that it has an obvious signature which CCP don't seem to have on their autodetect rules (yet?) - I would hope Sreegs or someone wish to pursue this.

Unless you got them using a purchase order for say 100 isk per unit then it shouldnt matter.
What is interesting is that they are saying they are going to claw back the isk, if they are going to reverse transactions then that would be a bit odd for consumable or destroyed things.

Your question goes to show something simple, RMT'ers will use contracts and markets to wash the items that they move. If you have buy orders up for 1% of an items value and someone fills it and they happen to be an RMT'er then you might need to explain, as the DEV is not going to get into the fine details then we will not know for sure. I would say that normal day to day market transactions are 100% safe unless your orders are showing some serious sign's that your trying to wash product. Few of those orders get filled, and generally the guys who place those orders are known.

I will not pretend that there's a easy way to spot legit vs bot or legit vs rmt. The ingame mechanics allow for scamming, overselling and underselling. RMT'ers do sell ingame products now for a fraction of the real value (You can catch them from time to time) so I know it does go on. It will be down to a GM or DEV to figgure out if those orders were to wash product or if they were a legit type of scam.

In the old contract days I would place orders up that isk sellers would fill and then report them. When the contract system came along and they could do things "private" then the ability for me to steal their isk was removed.

Just buy from the market and dont worry about it. Bot minerals and RMT isk flows through the markets in so many ways that it is doubtful you can buy any manufactured product that doesnt have a tie to RMT or Bots.

I for one and all for getting rid of BOTS and RMT. I am also all for getting rid of CCP's manipulation of the PLEX consumption. I am also for game fixes that would help stop Bots and secure gameplay.

I dont think i'll ask this dev any more questions, as he asked me to stop spreading lies. Asking a question is not a lie, but he's a dev and I guess he doesnt understand the difference.

Reporting a bot does not insinuate immediate action or actually action at all. It does matter though.

If you are doing nothing against a bot I reported, why should I report them?

this one sentence is giving me the feeling, you dont care about bots at all and all you are doing is only PR...

I hope I'm wrong (or misunderstood you) and you are working on a "bot-free" Eve.

Agreed! (Quoting so I don't have to paraphrase this since I'm typing too much below as is)

It hasn't been said particularly well in this thread, but I think most of the nervousness of players who have built something "unsupported" in the sandbox is that future methods for security or whatnot are going to trample over everyone in a "**** everyone who isn't using hard coded game features" way.

..What he means, is first, they have to investigate, if he REALY IS a bot. If not - no actions taken. (because players will report false alerts on in game (or outside game) enemies. So you can't trust blindly, you have to investigate.

..., you have to investigate.

We apparently needed Chribba to post his concerns before multiple people found motivation to basically agree with what I am posting since the first day and only getting flames as a result.




EvE greatest assets are its players, expecially those who find new ways to do stuff in the sandbox. At Fanfest and everywhere else EvE is flaunted as the "emergent gameplay" forge. EvE finance and meta-services are both ISK risky, emergent and EULA compliant (i.e it's not the same "emergent gameplay" shown at web-scrambling freighters and similar).
Those meta-professions bring in a further dimension to the game, some of them can be done just by an handful of players who earned mass-respect over years of flawless records.
Those players are completely reliant on their reputation, this is why a quick "ban first, eventually undo it 1 month later" politic will just ruin their years of efforts and leave a stain on them even once the penalty is lifted.
Like in real life, the other players will just think: "he was guilty, he just got unbanned because he was important", "he was guilty but he has CCP connections" and so on.

Yeah you can post for the next year and I'm still not underwriting your profession or changing my methods because you posted a lot despite never having a problem. I think it's time you moved on.

I'm sorry you don't agree with my stance on the issue but it's the stance and has been every single time I've had to answer the question. It's not changing because what you want is wrong and HAS NEVER EVER EVER HAPPENED. YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING.

If you could give me some indication how many times I need to say that before it finally sinks in then I'll just go ahead and make that many posts and get it over with.