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Dear CCP : Margin trading skill - it needs checkbox to enable or disable for buy orders
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Sturmwolke
#1 - 2012-04-04 01:36:25 UTC
Dear CCP,

Please put a checkbox to enable/disable "Margin Trading" when I'm buying stuffs.
This is getting annoying as I've got to bloody remember not to move around funds between wallets, less the buy order fails.

Yours sincerely,
Sturm
Brock Nelson
#2 - 2012-04-04 01:43:37 UTC
This..is exactly why I have not trained for it

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Sturmwolke
#3 - 2012-04-04 03:29:49 UTC
What ticks me off is that @#%$@% skill is always enabled with no option to turn it off on demand.
There are some transactions where it's useful, but there are many others that's its a major annoyance/hindrance.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2012-04-04 04:32:04 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
What ticks me off is that @#%$@% skill is always enabled with no option to turn it off on demand.
There are some transactions where it's useful, but there are many others that's its a major annoyance/hindrance.


EVEMon will tell you whether your character has enough ISK to cover. It will even alert you.

Or you could look at the in-game wallet...

A checkbox option on each order might be interesting though.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#5 - 2012-04-04 05:31:57 UTC
The OP has a fair point, you should be able to choose. If I could go back in time I would untrain the skill entirely.
Dennmoth Ferdier
Zero Gravity Productions
#6 - 2012-04-04 09:07:01 UTC
I actually tried petitioning for the removal of Margin Trading for this exact reason.

However, the GM replied that they are not "technically" able to remove a skill completely off a character, which I find difficult to believe.

This means we're basically stuck with the skill til the ends of time. I'd hate to neglect all the SP I have in trading for a new trading char that does not have margin trading trained...
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-04 10:06:07 UTC
Do it CCP.

I haven't bothered trained this skill, thankfully.
Shar Tegral
#8 - 2012-04-04 11:08:27 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Please put a checkbox to enable/disable "Margin Trading" when I'm buying stuffs.
This is getting annoying as I've got to bloody remember not to move around funds between wallets, less the buy order fails.
I previously tried to get this on the implementation agenda.
I wish you luck with your attempt and will sign/support anything to help you out.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-04 13:47:24 UTC
Margin Trading is awesome for bursty high-volume trading. I am constantly over-subscribed.

Just keep an eye on your wallet and "Escrow: Remaining to cover". If you need an additional 4bil to cover and you only have 1.8bil in your wallet, you may want to stop spamming buy orders.
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-04 14:08:23 UTC
It's a great skill and I've never found any reason to even consider the idea of disabling it.

If you track what you're doing, it should never be a problem and only be a benefit.
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-04 14:14:49 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
This..is exactly why I have not trained for it


you use it for the scamming power it provides? Twisted
Brock Nelson
#12 - 2012-04-04 14:25:24 UTC
Ravenesa wrote:
Brock Nelson wrote:
This..is exactly why I have not trained for it


you use it for the scamming power it provides? Twisted


Shush you Twisted

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Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-04 20:03:56 UTC
I love the skill and don't even scam with it. Never had a problem as I always keep enough isk in the wallet to cover at least half of my orders. Most of my orders fill slowly so I don't need to worry about any of them cancelling before some more sales go through.

Leveraging isk to make even more isk = winning.

Though, I would have nothing against them putting in the option to turn it off as long as it doesn't add an extra clicks to keep it on.
Kalipoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-04 21:02:28 UTC
I would love to have the option to turn it off.

The skill is useful for traders but overall i have found it to be more of an annoyance when it comes to tracking the total cost of my orders and that i have to recalculate for incomplete orders i cancel.

It is overall an annoying skill and i wish i hadnt trained it if only for the sake of simplicity. although simplicity is not something EVE is known for.
flakeys
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-04 21:07:24 UTC
Hexxx wrote:
It's a great skill and I've never found any reason to even consider the idea of disabling it.

If you track what you're doing, it should never be a problem and only be a benefit.



Same here , used it a zillion times and never ever had a problem with it.Just keep an eye on your wallet , wich you also need to do if you don't have it trained so not like it's an efffort.

But then i also don't see a problem why it shouldn't be able to be turned off as appearantly some people do have problems with it.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#16 - 2012-04-04 21:10:35 UTC
If you fall for a margin trading scam you are after a cheap buck and thus deserve all you get. That simple.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#17 - 2012-04-04 22:33:58 UTC
Why are we talking about the margin trading scam?
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#18 - 2012-04-05 04:12:18 UTC
I find this skill to be most useful for slow filling buy orders. Why would I want to invest 10b for 3 months upfront, when I can pay it as I go?

I have no objections to having a check-box to turn it off, as suggested by OP, though it negates roleplaying somewhat. Best (not) to train a new character, or biomass your present one.

Any colour you like.
flakeys
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-05 05:49:34 UTC
Herman Klaus wrote:
If you fall for a margin trading scam you are after a cheap buck and thus deserve all you get. That simple.


If you don't feel like reading the OP that's fine, but then don't press the post button either my dear.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Liberty Eternal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-05 06:17:55 UTC
I find it incomprehensible that anyone could have a problem using this skill, but if it is going to be nerfed please do it with a checkbox, don't get rid of it as some of us find it extremely useful.
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