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Confused on incoming NPC loot changes
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Kurai Okala
Okala Corp
#1 - 2012-04-05 00:03:52 UTC
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NPC ships will no longer drop manufacturable T1 loot. NPCs will continue to drop modules, however T1 items which have a blueprint will no longer drop, making player manufacturing the primary source for these items.


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I think I like the idea behind this but I'm kind of confused since I've never done much industry. What kind of modules are going to drop that aren't T1? In other words, what T1 modules are not manufacturable?

Also, does this mean less loot or will the NPCs drop more of something else?
Zircon Dasher
#2 - 2012-04-05 00:05:47 UTC
meta 0 = no drop

Meta1+ = still dropped (named modules)

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#3 - 2012-04-05 00:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
It means Meta 1-4 items (named.)

Edit: got sniped.....

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-05 00:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Kurai Okala wrote:
Quote:
NPC ships will no longer drop manufacturable T1 loot. NPCs will continue to drop modules, however T1 items which have a blueprint will no longer drop, making player manufacturing the primary source for these items.


Official Inferno Page

I think I like the idea behind this but I'm kind of confused since I've never done much industry. What kind of modules are going to drop that aren't T1? In other words, what T1 modules are not manufacturable?

Also, does this mean less loot or will the NPCs drop more of something else?

Meta 1-4 modules are not able to be manufactured. Those will continue to drop. Meta 0 will not.
Kurai Okala
Okala Corp
#5 - 2012-04-05 00:10:43 UTC
Wow, thanks for the quick replies!

...and everyone says the eve community is made up of nothing but jerks and sociopaths.
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#6 - 2012-04-05 00:11:44 UTC

Minerals gonna skyrock!

Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#7 - 2012-04-05 00:14:21 UTC
Kurai Okala wrote:
Wow, thanks for the quick replies!

...and everyone says the eve community is made up of nothing but jerks and sociopaths.


INB4 jerks & soicpaths... & minerals today & tommorrow are going to go thru the roof & peak in 2-3 months I imagine
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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#8 - 2012-04-05 00:19:51 UTC
Kurai Okala wrote:
Wow, thanks for the quick replies!

...and everyone says the eve community is made up of nothing but jerks and sociopaths.


Well, there are a few wierdo's, but most of us are yes.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#9 - 2012-04-05 01:06:41 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Kurai Okala wrote:
Wow, thanks for the quick replies!

...and everyone says the eve community is made up of nothing but jerks and sociopaths.


INB4 jerks & soicpaths... & minerals today & tommorrow are going to go thru the roof & peak in 2-3 months I imagine

Considering they have already been going up (due to folks buying up Zyn and Mega), they might already be past their post Inferno levels. We will just have to wait and see.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-05 01:42:53 UTC
OR translation, if you can purchase a BPO and make it yourself then it won't drop.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2012-04-05 01:44:35 UTC
Time to stop selling and reprocessing my mission loot then, the T1 stuff stacks up quite quickly

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#12 - 2012-04-05 01:50:45 UTC
This is a good move for the newer players, starting industrialists can now manufacture and sell those meta 0 items and not have to compete with the stuff that mission runners don't melt, which I've been waiting to see since I started. I'd rather see new players benefitting from selling those items than mission runners melting or selling them.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-04-05 03:01:31 UTC
Could be that the meta 0 items are removed from the loot table, but it may not mean that as a result something else wont drop in it's place as loot.

So it may not be a reduction in loot and therefore effecting minerals, more the quality of what drops. As it does not state in detail how the loot mechnics will be effected by this change other than BPO items won't be in the loot tables.

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Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#14 - 2012-04-05 03:58:49 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Could be that the meta 0 items are removed from the loot table, but it may not mean that as a result something else wont drop in it's place as loot.

So it may not be a reduction in loot and therefore effecting minerals, more the quality of what drops. As it does not state in detail how the loot mechnics will be effected by this change other than BPO items won't be in the loot tables.


It will still affect minerals cause meta 0 (manufacturer items) reprocess into more and higher quality minerals than meta 1-4 which dont reprocess as well
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#15 - 2012-04-05 04:04:54 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Kurai Okala wrote:
Wow, thanks for the quick replies!

...and everyone says the eve community is made up of nothing but jerks and sociopaths.


INB4 jerks & soicpaths... & minerals today & tommorrow are going to go thru the roof & peak in 2-3 months I imagine


You were too late when you posted.

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Vince Snetterton
#16 - 2012-04-05 04:25:42 UTC
Sigh...there are going to be an awful lot of upset Marauder pilots, since many T1 modules were another source of income from missioning.

All those people who have recently trained or bought a Marauder may be looking for their ISK back if mission loot value profitability crashes.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-04-05 04:28:01 UTC
Momoyo wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Could be that the meta 0 items are removed from the loot table, but it may not mean that as a result something else wont drop in it's place as loot.

So it may not be a reduction in loot and therefore effecting minerals, more the quality of what drops. As it does not state in detail how the loot mechnics will be effected by this change other than BPO items won't be in the loot tables.


It will still affect minerals cause meta 0 (manufacturer items) reprocess into more and higher quality minerals than meta 1-4 which dont reprocess as well


Some of the meta 1+ items seem on a par to the meta 0 values.

However its not really the low end mineral content that concerns me its the high end minerals which will have equaivalent values on each of the meta tiers. So its more a case of any removal of those sources by actual meta drops of equivalence to meta 0 than minerals that can be replaced by mining capabilites. In this sense the low end reduction will actually help mining. But if mods are simply removed on a volume basis then the high end mineral sources in certain regions will be reduced as a result, though the patch notes don't explicitly say this.

Or maybe High sec wants to see all high mineral sources be removed from their areas favouring others. These kind of potential monopolisation of resources worries me as it means more favourable regional manipulation can occur in essentially what should be a competative free market that is chosen by the players, not with more engineered bias in gaming mechanics.

But if people in High sec are happy with the idea that null could potentially manipulate the price of ships and goods to a worse position for them with more capability as a result of changes like those potentially described, I wont personally mind as I'll simply profit further from limited mineral stocks causing price hikes?

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2012-04-05 04:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
They said they were going to do this a long time ago, back when they ramped up the crap metal in level 4's and Battleship loots so you aren't the only one who is confused.

Grumpy Owly wrote:

Some of the meta 1+ items seem on a par to the meta 0 values.

However its not really the low end mineral content that concerns me its the high end minerals which will have equaivalent values on each of the meta tiers. So its more a case of any removal of those sources by actual meta drops of equivalence to meta 0 than minerals that can be replaced by mining capabilites. In this sense the low end reduction will actually help mining. But if mods are simply removed on a volume basis then the high end mineral sources in certain regions will be reduced as a result, though the patch notes don't explicitly say this.

Or maybe High sec wants to see all high mineral sources be removed from their areas favouring others. These kind of potential monopolisation of resources worries me as it means more favourable regional manipulation can occur in essentially what should be a competative free market that is chosen by the players, not with more engineered bias in gaming mechanics.

But if people in High sec are happy with the idea that null could potentially manipulate the price of ships and goods to a worse position for them with more capability as a result of changes like those potentially described, I wont personally mind as I'll simply profit further from limited mineral stocks causing price hikes?


That kind of manipulation was always in the game. Guristas battleships drop cruise and torp launchers. Sansha drop beam lasers and smartbombs. Beams and smartbombs fish out way more reproc minerals than Cruise and Torp.

Look at rates on Dual Modulated Heavy Energy Beams.
Look at Arbalest Cruise launchers.

Neither is really used in PvE or PvP but the Beam just on reproc goes for 400K. The Cruise Launcher, 80K
Ghoest
#19 - 2012-04-05 04:37:57 UTC
I havent run any mission lately but i was under the impression this had occurred a year or 2 ago.

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Adunh Slavy
#20 - 2012-04-05 04:56:14 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Could be that the meta 0 items are removed from the loot table, but it may not mean that as a result something else wont drop in it's place as loot.


Tags perhaps? So people can buy security status, as was described in Crimewatch.

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