These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

New stealth bombers re-design

Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Lili Lu
#101 - 2012-04-05 01:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Sad Amazing that they somehow managed to make them all look like a Drake. And the Nemesis looks more Caldari than Gallente. Oh well, they are probably too far into the process to be fixed to look less like drakes and less Caldari. I mean no problem if you want to make the Manticore look that way, but not all of them.

Regardless what they may look like, there is one outlier in the agility department, the Nemesis. I've flown all four and the Nemesis has so much worse agility than the other three that any of the other three are preferable no matter what damage you are trying to maximise.

Would be nice if they could all be de-drakified before hitting Tranquility. Particularly for the Nemesis. And please do something to bring the Nemesis agility into the neighborhood of the others.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#102 - 2012-04-05 01:22:26 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Sad Amazing that they somehow managed to make them all look like a Drake. And the Nemesis looks more Caldari than Gallente. Oh well, they are probably too far into the process to be fixed to look less like drakes and less Caldari. I mean no problem if you want to make the Manticore look that way, but not all of them.

Regardless what they may look like, there is one outlier in the agility department, the Nemesis. I've flown all three and the Nemesis has so much worse agility than the other three that any of the other three are preferable no matter what damage you are trying to maximise.

Would be nice if they could all be de-drakified before hitting Tranquility. Particularly for the Nemesis. And please do something to bring the Nemesis agility into the neighborhood of the others.

No offense intended... but are you blind?


How do any of them look even remotely like the Drake?
Lili Lu
#103 - 2012-04-05 01:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Corina Jarr wrote:
No offense intended... but are you blind?


How do any of them look even remotely like the Drake?


Well, they are all flattened out. What happened to "vertical"? The existing Purifier and Nemesis are rather vertical, but the new ones will be flat like a drake.

I ask whether you are blind to not see the new purifier's resemblance to the drake. right down to the lancher vents along each slight downward sloping side of the broad back of the flattened hull.

Next the new Hound. Where did the pretty shark fin shaped fins go? Now they look like very square/rectangular and Caldari, indeed drake like. Additionally, look at the orientation of those fins. I would almost wager that if you measured the angle of those fins they would be the same as the angle of the drake's outer slope.

Kestral, ironically looks the least drake-like due to the two elongated beaks on each side.

Nemesis is again flattened like a drake pancake. Overall not a bad strategy to make it sorta manta ray shaped but should be more rounded and less angular, and have a roll to it like manta ray swimming through water to avoid the drake similarities. Also, and it could be just an unfortunate side-effect of black and white rendering, but it looks incredibly gray and caldari, not green and gallente.

So, I hope that opened your eyes.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-04-05 02:04:26 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
No offense intended... but are you blind?


How do any of them look even remotely like the Drake?


Well, they are all flattened out. What happened to "vertical"? The existing Purifier and Nemesis are rather vertical, but the new ones will be flat like a drake.

I ask whether you are blind to not see the new purifier's resemblance to the drake. right down to the lancher vents along each slight downward sloping side of the broad back of the flattened hull.

Next the new Hound. Where did the pretty shark fin shaped fins go? Now they look like very square/rectangular and Caldari, indeed drake like. Additionally, look at the orientation of those fins. I would almost wager that if you measured the angle of those fins they would be the same as the angle of the drake's outer slope.

Kestral, ironically looks the least drake-like due to the two elongated beaks on each side.

Nemesis is again flattened like a drake pancake. Overall not a bad strategy to make it sorta manta ray shaped but should be more rounded and less angular, and have a roll to it like manta ray swimming through water to avoid the drake similarities. Also, and it could be just an unfortunate side-effect of black and white rendering, but it looks incredibly gray and caldari, not green and gallente.

So, I hope that opened your eyes.

You just further confused me. Sure the hound has differences, but it still totally undrakelike. Seems your just calling any flat ship something that "looks like a drake." the purifier looks very new amarr to me. Visually I'd say it fits in well with the abbadon/legion/oracle/maller models from what we are able to see. The nemesis is somewhat unique looking, but that seems to be what many Gallente ships have going for them, but much like the others it feels like an evolution of the current hull.
Tchal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-04-05 17:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tchal
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
No offense intended... but are you blind?


How do any of them look even remotely like the Drake?


Well, they are all flattened out. What happened to "vertical"? The existing Purifier and Nemesis are rather vertical, but the new ones will be flat like a drake.

...break...

Nemesis is again flattened like a drake pancake. Overall not a bad strategy to make it sorta manta ray shaped but should be more rounded and less angular, and have a roll to it like manta ray swimming through water to avoid the drake similarities. Also, and it could be just an unfortunate side-effect of black and white rendering, but it looks incredibly gray and caldari, not green and gallente.

So, I hope that opened your eyes.

You just further confused me. Sure the hound has differences, but it still totally undrakelike. Seems your just calling any flat ship something that "looks like a drake." the purifier looks very new amarr to me. Visually I'd say it fits in well with the abbadon/legion/oracle/maller models from what we are able to see. The nemesis is somewhat unique looking, but that seems to be what many Gallente ships have going for them, but much like the others it feels like an evolution of the current hull.



No, I totally get this. At least from a designers view. Draw a line along the top of the ship designs front to back. All the new SB hulls extend left and right from this line out and down roughly the same as the drake.

The nemesis has lost it's verticality, the manticore it's asymmetry, the Purifier is less curvy and the Hound gets no fins that break up the shape (and do make it look like a speeder bike). EDIT: I could not resist.

Being a Minnie fan, I'm disappointed that the newest designs (tornado and hound) are losing their hard edges and utilitarian look. Everything is getting rounder, softer and symmetrical.

Hope they don't do this to my cheetah. I love my flying flipper baby.
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#106 - 2012-04-05 18:00:45 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
I.
DEMAND.
PICTURES.
FFS.

http://imgur.com/a/LuiEZ#0


Hound still looks about the same, cool :)

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

-Winston Churchill
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-04-05 18:05:27 UTC
That link above is outdated, here's the real thing http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/gallery/ (hint: purifier looks awesome).


All 4 redesigns are great, some of the best stuff that has come from CCP Art.

The refined art styles and themes are well conceived and would like to see more. Stuff actually looks sci fi and high tech.


People should better focus on asking for rebalancing the stealth bombers in light of their new models. The Nemesis has MANY problems with base stats and fitting. PLEASE FIX SB BALANCE CCP.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-04-05 19:19:00 UTC
Tchal wrote:

No, I totally get this. At least from a designers view. Draw a line along the top of the ship designs front to back. All the new SB hulls extend left and right from this line out and down roughly the same as the drake.

The nemesis has lost it's verticality, the manticore it's asymmetry, the Purifier is less curvy and the Hound gets no fins that break up the shape (and do make it look like a speeder bike). EDIT: I could not resist.

Being a Minnie fan, I'm disappointed that the newest designs (tornado and hound) are losing their hard edges and utilitarian look. Everything is getting rounder, softer and symmetrical.

Hope they don't do this to my cheetah. I love my flying flipper baby.

Still not seeing it as far as the hound. Granted the fins are gone but from a personal point of view I was never too attached to it. The detail shown also seems to have a sense of utilitarianism and lack of aesthetic considerations that should be present in a minmatar ship. Overall the design front to back as you mentioned is still closer to the current model that the characteristics of the drake.

Manticore: Comparing new to old, the main difference is the enlarged center body. The asymmetry which is present on the wings was removed but the "bridge" and it's counterpart have been maintained.

Purifier: Reserving judgment for a bit. Want to see it fully detailed, but the lack of roundness of the front may be due to this being a low poly render. Even if not I don't think it would detract that much. Though it has a pretty strong singular hull in the front that reflects a lot of amarr hulls and is rather dissimilar to the drake, as is the proportional bulk of the center body.

Nemesis: Still my favorite. Though it is the best candidate for being thought of as drake-like in design. Remove the bits designed to look like the current hull and yes, you have something like the severely deformed front half of a drake backwards, but still different enough to stand on it's own.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#109 - 2012-04-05 19:24:22 UTC
Lol at the storm trooper.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-04-05 19:44:12 UTC
What the **** is wrong with people saying 'if you cut this and this it looks like a drake'. Of course it will , the drake is a ******* brick. If you cut stuff from the ships they look like ******* bricks.

give us a ******* break
Vila eNorvic
#111 - 2012-04-05 20:51:55 UTC
I get totally mystified when people say that ships with curves look Caldari - I've seen the same comment about the new Velator.

Since when did Caldari do CURVES???
Morne Vyvorant
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-04-16 17:40:05 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
That link above is outdated, here's the real thing http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/gallery/ (hint: purifier looks awesome).


All 4 redesigns are great, some of the best stuff that has come from CCP Art.

The refined art styles and themes are well conceived and would like to see more. Stuff actually looks sci fi and high tech.


People should better focus on asking for rebalancing the stealth bombers in light of their new models. The Nemesis has MANY problems with base stats and fitting. PLEASE FIX SB BALANCE CCP.


New Tristan? Imicus? ATRON?

CCp artists must have been in overdrive. Damn nice.
Benteen
Atra Mortis Industries
#113 - 2012-04-19 22:51:15 UTC
Arlen Fehrnah wrote:
Thanks for posting those pics Sarmatiko. Those ships really look great. I can't decide which is my favourite, Gallente or Caldari. They even managed to make the Purifier not suck. Didn't think that was possible. Now I've just gotta decide which one to train for P


Train for them all! I intend to...Twisted
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#114 - 2012-04-19 22:53:14 UTC
No way the hound looks epic. I love the current design but the new one is just pure gold.
Dodecapod
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2012-05-28 19:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dodecapod
New Purifier sucks hard. The sketch that we saw at fanfest was much better imo... just a leaner, meaner version of the old one
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-06-13 00:33:27 UTC
Symmetry is not a bad thing. These ships are mass produced remember, as much as you'd like to think your ship is special and one of a kind, it's not. The rust color isn't rust. It's the ferrite compound used in minmatar armour plates, as any T2 industrialist will tell you.
Too much asymmetry is not realistic for a ship in space as it won't be able to maneuver properly or equally in both directions ( along the axis of asymmetry )
Torneach
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-06-13 00:37:34 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Symmetry is not a bad thing. These ships are mass produced remember, as much as you'd like to think your ship is special and one of a kind, it's not. The rust color isn't rust. It's the ferrite compound used in minmatar armour plates, as any T2 industrialist will tell you.
Too much asymmetry is not realistic for a ship in space as it won't be able to maneuver properly or equally in both directions ( along the axis of asymmetry )


You just :had: to resurrect a thread to say something that's already been said dozens of times, didn't you?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#118 - 2012-06-13 00:38:43 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Too much asymmetry is not realistic for a ship in space as it won't be able to maneuver properly or equally in both directions ( along the axis of asymmetry )
Sure it will. For one, asymmetry in the geometry is something completely different than asymmetry in the mass distribution, for another, you can fix that with proper thrust application.

…and finally, there isn't a single symmetrical ship in EVE anyway. Nor in real life for that matter.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#119 - 2012-06-13 00:39:08 UTC
I, TOO, LOVE NECRO SO MUCH! Big smile

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-06-13 03:41:11 UTC
shaun2tal wrote:
The Nemesis and Manticore look awesome but the Hound and Purifier don't look anywhere near as good .

please re look at them and make them look better than just a graphic update.



yea let's spend more time and money redesigning a ship AGAIN, instead of using that art dev time in fixing a real problem like POS design. ( or adding new content! )

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde