Science & Industry

I have 25 factory slots between 2 accounts. 10 of those are permanently take by tech II missiles.

This is certainly true for ships, but most modules have 99% of their materials in the extra category, meaning negative ME doesn't affect them. As long as the market demand is bigger than whatever any existing, active BPOs can produce, you can make a profit off of those. Of course BPO holders make (slightly) *more* profit per unit, but that doesn't affect your margins in the slightest.

As for ammo, I get my largest margins on ammo even though I need 50% more materials than BPO holders. The demand for ammo is vastly larger than the amount BPOs can produce because ammo takes forever to build. Maybe crystals are a different story, but I can tell you missiles and projectile ammo are top money makers.

You may want to restate this in another way. Invention can ruin you if you aren't paying attention to it.

Denidil,

It should come as no surprise to you that a lot of posts in this topic are outright lies.

Invention + building is profitable for some items, it is not profitable for some other. Which is which you have to figure out yourself, it's not hard at all.

Hey Cad :)

Lots of ex-MLM returning it seems :D.

I honestly don't understand how people figure Invention to NOT be profitable. Either they all just don't want people in their market, or they actually believe what they're saying.

Pick any decently traded T2 Item (ship, module, ammo, anything that moves at a reasonable quantity), do the math on BPC costs + material costs, and 90% of them will probably turn out to be profitable.

Here, I'll do one for you (prices from EVE-Central, capital costs not included):

425mm Autocannon II:

BPC COST:
ONE ATTEMPT:
1x max run Autocannon copy (make them yourself): 0
2x Datacore - Mechanical Engineering: 500k Jita sell orders
2x Datacore - Nuclear Physics: 410k Jit sell orders
TOTAL: 910k

Success chance (all skills at level 3): 46%
Therefore approx. cost per BPC = 910k / 0.46 = aprrox. 2 mil.
Therefore cost per run = 2mil / 10 = 200k


MANUFACTURE COST (one run):
BPC: 200k
Pyerite x 761: 3.5k
Mexallon x 743: 25k
Tritanium x 494: 2k
Thermonuclear Trigger Unit x 10: 360k
Morphite x 8: 30k
Robotics x 3: 170k
R.A.M Weapontech x 0.4: 30k
Noxcium x 2: 1k
T1 Module x1: 150k

TOTAL MANUFACTURE COST FROM SELL ORDERS: 971k
APPROX BUY ORDER PRICE: 1.3mil

Yeap, not profitable at all. All the prices were rounded up and bought from sell orders anyway, with increasing margins the more effort you put into it (buy off buy orders, sell on sell orders). This took me maybe 5 minutes, and with a little spreadsheet magic you could have your own list of over 100 items in no time at all.

Invention is profitable, if you're not braindead.

Yep, Exactly

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Profit is one thing. Then there is time to build (isk per hour), managing manufacturing lines and alts, understanding the market, how fast you can move items, and then logistics to name a few others. I like T2 for these reasons. T3 is even better. If you are looking for some quick isk without much effort, missions or mining are probably better for you.

Look folks, you don't even need to do the calculations yourself thanks to this talented sir right here.

But yeah you're right, although if people can't figure out that individual items themselves are profitable, they're unlikely to be able to comprehend all the other factors that contribute, hence why T2/T3 production will probably always be profitable.

This is why items end up on the market at a price lower than its component parts. Yes by all means do what pussnheels says but always give those minerals/datacores/whatever you obtain yourself a price that way when you do come to sell your product you don't end up selling the item below market cost.

I am more than happy to explain.



Stop RIGHT HERE. That is invention. You have a T2 BPC. Congratulations. Have you made a profit?

I'm willing to bet you have not - or that if you have it's minimal. When (especially in the blueprints channel) people talk about invention they refer to what invention really is - the act of producing T2 BPCs. Though there are exceptions - this is generally not a very profitable venture - I could be wrong but generally churning out T2 BPCs is not where the money lies.




That is T2 production - which as you have shown can be quite profitable - though not always. It really depends on the market and yes I do this all the time too - this is where the profit lies, in T2 production, (or in the different paths that lead to it), not in the T2 invention process itself.



It may be a semantics issue - but lets recap.

1) Invention (ie. the production of the T2 BPC) is generally not profitable
2) T2 Production (i.e. the production of T2 modules & ships) can be profitable, but its not always so.


And for the record - you need to check your scanner settings. I just checked, am not quite brain dead just yet.