EVE General Discussion

*grins*
Oooh, I see a bright future for incursions given it's all done properly.
It is one cause I have fought for so long and sacrificed so much on.

Woo \o/!

You sir, are and idiot. lrn2terminology, do not make up your own.

Ribbons and deadspace loot prices are decided by supply and demand, hence not a faucet in terms of income. Their price is controlled by availability and demand for the items, as opposed to set ISK rewards like bounties and incursion payouts.

And if they are such an enormous and easily acquired resource, why not farm them yourself? Perhaps because going in to low sec or wormholes would involve risk you are unwilling to face, when ISK is available in a free flowing stream that requires considerably less effort?

As I said, low sec and null sec operations require logistics and some in game experience. Wormholes involve considerable risk. In comparison incursions pay out more, for less work and less risk.

They are items that appear out of 'nowhere' (from NPC's ) just like ISK does and are gains ( income )
FYI the value of ISK also is largely decided by supply & demand.

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Another thing which I glanced over is that the blue loot from sleeper sites is a ISK faucet which currently brings the same amount of ISK into Eve as Incursions does. WH's there fore have 2 faucets a materials faucet & a ISK faucet
Incursions have a LP component which at least is a ISK sink which WH's lack totally

So you are honestly telling me that mining does not produce income in the form of minerals? lol of course there are differences & your conclusions that I don't understand them are unfounded in your zeal to protect your golden goose.
At least I'm not trying to say Incursions are not something they are which you seem to be with sleeper incomes

If you continually try to tell me that there are no other faucets besides pure ISK in this game ( ie nano ribbons, moon goo, loot drops, NPC buy orders, minerals & alloys ) then you are a mental midget or just blinded in trying to prove I don't know what. And like what's been said over & over again the hugest ISK faucet is bounties... you want to tackle inflation either it has to be taken down a notch or ISK sinks need to be created ( I've made a few suggestions to sinks I wish others would try to put out thier ideas too instead of crying about the other guys way of making money.)

I want two things in incursions. Also, I want to be very clear where I am coming from on this. I am not some isolated nullsec person.

Edit: sorry, but code errors meant I had to take links out of the chat.

I flew expensive full fit command ships during live events for all risk, zero isk.
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd332/KwKiller/Eve%20Online%20Screenshots/Theswarm.jpg

I lead + 200 man fleets in the incursion events that occured
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd332/KwKiller/Eve%20Online%20Screenshots/Slavecomes.jpgbiggest

I was part of the first Incursion fleets in the start of 2009 before anybody could learn the mechanics and bust them.
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd332/KwKiller/Eve%20Online%20Screenshots/20110129014250.jpg
I want that exciting PvE back.

Back then, vanguards werent the best isk. Those of us who formed up to hit the assault and HQ got rich, and we didn't have mega fit faction fleets to fight the revenant. We lost ships, we only were able to muster one united fleet after much trying, and it was good times all around. I WANT THEM FIXED!

Changing the reward isnt the way. That only solves the farmer issue. But if people who are not part of the leet farming groups want to try, the risk will massively outweigh the reward. We need fleets back to fits how we used to run them.

First off, the time it takes. People have specific fits to clear vanguards fast.

You can have npc belt rats be randomized, but you cannot randomize the freaking spawns in an incursion?

I mean really, if people had to general fit, they would take longer to clear again. Combined with the current reward, it is back to a proper risk reward for all.

Second! Get people into the big sites! As you regain control of systems, slow down the rate of spawns!

I mean, how hard can it be a variable to plug in. You have a % control, that affects resists, so why not a respawn timer. Respawn after [Time] * %% / 10.

Solved. As control gains are made, if you want to make any decent isk, get the arses to the bigger sites. Possibly some more fixing to the bigger sites if that one is still busted from like back in the day.

Sorry to inform you, but having to suicide your ships to "PvP", and killing your targets in a single shot, is not "PvP". And I'm pretty sure concord constitutes a difference in game mechanics.

And for what it's worth my losses are few and far between, I have close calls in my T2 transport on occasion when I'm moving low value goods but for the most part everything of value I move either by carrier or with an obsessive system of scouts. I said earlier in this thread I believe logistics too easy and null to be too safe, but that is a separate issue and one CCP does appear to be working on.


No artificial rules preventing me from shooting someone? You mean like concord, faction police and sec status? If you think suicide ganking is the future of Eve online, and that it should be height of player versus player competition in terms of ISK generation, then your vision of the game is quite simply so far apart from mine there likely can be no compromise or reconciliation.


The few decent tricks in regards to aggression were removed and "patched" at the behest of incursion bear tears.


Actually I don't really PvE any more, I ran incursions for a time because they made the largest amount of ISK for me for the smallest amount of effort. I stopped running them due to boredom, if you look at this character's contract history you can get a rough idea of what I did afterward.

Now I very rarely PvE at all, I do not need the ISK and quite simply it is boring. As I said earlier, PvE in this game outside of wormholes has mostly just become instanced grinding. This is not the sand box style game play CCP has traded on in the past, and it aggravates a lot of players with good reason.

Not to mention the fact that PvE in Eve does not any longer fit the "Eve is hard" motto CCP so often spout.

And the winners are......

http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

Vanguards take longer.
Assualts are shorter.
Vanguards got an ISK nerf.

Slightly off topic, but did I miss something (FF video, blog, etc) that would have hinted on the removal of meta 0 loot at this time?

Nothing in the videos I saw. Or, at least, no hint that did not require a fair amount of tinfoil.



I need more tinfoil.