EVE General Discussion

Jaboc, an example of Pay to Win would be the more powerful gold ammo only available for cash in WOT. Another, but different example from the same game are the available only for gold Premium tanks, as they have a much higher in game currency potential.

Niether of these items are obtainable by the rest of the players unless they pay real currency for them, and both give a significant advantage in game.

Anything other than this type of item YOU are lumping under the self proclaimed Pay to Win tag are in fact NOT Pay to Win. They simply have more than one way to obtain the same item, with no restrictions on who can or cannot obtain the item. Pay TO WIN by definition indicates that if you pay cash you can obtain an advantage that people who do not pay cash can not obtain.

This does not apply to EVE.

Perhaps YOU should stop imposing your purposely vague definitions, which make literally NO sense, on terms simply to try and make a nonsensical point. The worst term you could possibly use to describe PLEX use in EVE would be Pay to Save Time... and I think most of us can live with that quite happily.

I think he's purposely avoiding my questions now.

Edit: To answer your question, RMT is buying straight up isk. Plex is buying account time. But they have created it so that you may sell that account time or use it on your own however you like.

actually plex ISN't pay to win
because basically all you are doing is selling someone else game time for isk.
any other item though would be pay 2 win ( exception to vanity items) because even if CCP sold titans for $ it messes with the market
plex is just an item representative of 30 days of game time, it has no other purpose... heck for a while iirc you couldn't undock with them in cargo.
also the in game advantage is that of isk only, and it fluctuates based on supply and demand as with any item that can be farmed in game.

INB4 "no ur wrong because FACT: *insertmadeupfact*"

Ranger1, you may refer to me as Mr. Daddy from now on, because yes, you are now my bizatch.

I highlighted an important part that your tiny mind conveniently glossed over.

(also: lol@urbandictionary, because using someone else's made up definition to support your made up definition is double-fail)

It's a commonly used slang phrase, which Urban Dictionary collects into a central repository.

So, tell me, what items can you obtain in EVE that are better than those obtainable by those that do not pay cash directly? By the way, many players (myself included) can easily generate the ISK to pay for any ingame item you would care to name faster than you can earn the money to pay for them with cash.

We can put that to the test any time you like.

But yes, back to the point, what BETTER items can you obtain than I?

Plex is hardly 'pay to win'. It's good for the players and it's good business for CCP. there is no need to remove it.

While I fully recognize at this point that you're just trolling, I'll jump in anyway and agree with everyone who said you have a severe misunderstanding of what P2W actually is. As has been repeatedly stated, pay to win games are games where the items available ONLY from the cash shop give you a clear advantage over anything that you can actually get ingame.

Example of a pay to win game : Dragon Nest, or in fact most games made by Nexon. The items available exclusively from the cash shop give you bonuses not available anywhere else, making it impossible for a non cash shop user to compete (assuming equal skill).

Now, the fact is, there are plenty of people who legitimately believe that ANY form of cash shop is pay to win, regardless of whether it's true or not, and they bandy the term around to try to bring more people to their side. Fortunately these people are a minority, since there are plenty of good microtransaction games out there that are not pay to win.

Example of microtransaction game that is not pay to win : League of Legends. Skins are available only through cash purchase, but they give you no ingame advantage. You can also purchase characters or runes through cash, but you can also get those through IP, which requires just grinding games.

The difference here should be obvious. Moreover, real pay to win games don't exist for long, since they are almost universally hated. If you are actually being sincere in your arguments, then it is unsurprising that you have never played one, since there aren't many around. Most respectable game companies learned a long time ago that you can sell fluff items like skins and hats and it doesn't bother many people, but if you sell anything that buffs your character in a way that a non-spender can't, it will kill the game.

True that. Or he finds out that he can't break the tank and just wanders off, no harm no foul.