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Dragy
Regiment Of Naga Association
OnlyFleets.
#1 - 2012-04-04 19:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragy
Which would be valiable for missions and how many tp's would be required ? I also understand that one would need tp drones but what about killing frigs ?

And also since i'm rusty, haven't played for a while. Which bs would do the best in amarr lvl4's ? I have all the skills :)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-04-04 20:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
I wouldn't torp fit any of those ships for mission running purposes. IMO the only viable torp ships for PVE purposes are Golems and Stealth Bombers. As to the ships mentioned:
- Raven: Tank is left too weak, but it has pretty decent range with 3 rig slots. If you can get someone else to tank, it can lay down some impressive damage.
- CNR: This is actually a somewhat viable fit, but the tank is very weak again. As a rule, you'll want 2-3 (faction?) painters and really good painter skills.
- Scorp Navy: Lacks the range bonus of other Caldari missile hulls. Torps are just not viable for PVE (and if they were, you'd probably want to use a regular gank Torp Raven anyway).

-Liang

Ed: You could make a case for torp fleet phoons being viable. They're fast as **** and might be able to make use of MWD + 2 Painter + Faction Web.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Dragy
Regiment Of Naga Association
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2012-04-04 20:24:47 UTC
and how about a rattlesnake with torps ? and which would be better, rattle with torps/cruise or golem ?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-04-04 20:31:24 UTC
The Golem is almost certain to be dramatically superior if you're willing to deal with the micromanagement that comes from having to count volleys and manage 2-3 painters. I tend to prefer cruise on the Rattlesnake because it's hard to get the most out of both sentries and torps. Better to get real damage than fake EFT damage, IMO. But, someone may have a fit that can actually do it! :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#5 - 2012-04-04 21:15:10 UTC
Going with Liang, you hurt your tank unless you faction it up. If I am going to use Torps I use an Active Rattler with two painters and mostly on missions like Damsel. Torp Snake does wonders when they are MWDin straight at you. Plus they get the range bonus so they can fling them at decent distances.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#6 - 2012-04-04 21:26:15 UTC
Dragy wrote:
Which would be valiable for missions and how many tp's would be required ?


None of them. The range would be abysmal, and they all lack the Golems tp bonus and its missile explosion velocity bonus.

If you want a PvE torp ship, fly a Golem. For a while. Then stick it back in the hangar to gather dust.
Dragy
Regiment Of Naga Association
OnlyFleets.
#7 - 2012-04-04 22:32:12 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Dragy wrote:
Which would be valiable for missions and how many tp's would be required ?


None of them. The range would be abysmal, and they all lack the Golems tp bonus and its missile explosion velocity bonus.

If you want a PvE torp ship, fly a Golem. For a while. Then stick it back in the hangar to gather dust.


and for a cruise would rattle perform good since it has 4 hardpoints plus manages to have drones like a domi ?
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-05 01:18:09 UTC
Dragy wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Dragy wrote:
Which would be valiable for missions and how many tp's would be required ?


None of them. The range would be abysmal, and they all lack the Golems tp bonus and its missile explosion velocity bonus.

If you want a PvE torp ship, fly a Golem. For a while. Then stick it back in the hangar to gather dust.


and for a cruise would rattle perform good since it has 4 hardpoints plus manages to have drones like a domi ?


For PvE a Rail Domi can match a Cruise Rattler, can out damage if you double the sentry rigs, something the Rattler cannot do. The Snake's main advantages are selectable highslot and uber tank.
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-05 15:08:13 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

- Raven: Tank is left too weak, but it has pretty decent range with 3 rig slots. If you can get someone else to tank, it can lay down some impressive damage.


This. If you have a buddy/alt to do the tanking torp-fit vanilla ravens can be fun if when you get a 'large-target' mission with triggers you can manage, but you're not going to be able to carry any useful tank (unless someone can come up with a workable armor tank that doesn't eat up the rig slots or slow you down a bunch... but then you've lost your BCSs).

On your own, any of the three are just asking for either a blown ship... torps just plain can't keep up without a ton of module/rig support outside of *heavily* bonused ships like the golem (which still needs lots of modules) or bombers.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#10 - 2012-04-05 15:25:26 UTC
The SNI has an awesome tank, but when fitted with torps, it does not have the speed nor range required to do decent or consistent damage. Plus, with the crappy range you will be MWDing from target to target.

If you do manage to stay in range, it is worth having either an alt or a another person with a huggin to blow up their sig.