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Which in Unix terms is equal to dev/null.

Edit: actually no, it's more like starting a 100% RAM usage process in Windows 3.1. It gets done... eventually.

They need to hire like 10 times as many employess to make it acceptably fast.

Amnesty program? They keep their earnings, pay a fine, learn Icelandic: the start of a path to citizenship.

Unless you got them using a purchase order for say 100 isk per unit then it shouldnt matter.
What is interesting is that they are saying they are going to claw back the isk, if they are going to reverse transactions then that would be a bit odd for consumable or destroyed things.

Your question goes to show something simple, RMT'ers will use contracts and markets to wash the items that they move. If you have buy orders up for 1% of an items value and someone fills it and they happen to be an RMT'er then you might need to explain, as the DEV is not going to get into the fine details then we will not know for sure. I would say that normal day to day market transactions are 100% safe unless your orders are showing some serious sign's that your trying to wash product. Few of those orders get filled, and generally the guys who place those orders are known.

I will not pretend that there's a easy way to spot legit vs bot or legit vs rmt. The ingame mechanics allow for scamming, overselling and underselling. RMT'ers do sell ingame products now for a fraction of the real value (You can catch them from time to time) so I know it does go on. It will be down to a GM or DEV to figgure out if those orders were to wash product or if they were a legit type of scam.

In the old contract days I would place orders up that isk sellers would fill and then report them. When the contract system came along and they could do things "private" then the ability for me to steal their isk was removed.

Just buy from the market and dont worry about it. Bot minerals and RMT isk flows through the markets in so many ways that it is doubtful you can buy any manufactured product that doesnt have a tie to RMT or Bots.

I for one and all for getting rid of BOTS and RMT. I am also all for getting rid of CCP's manipulation of the PLEX consumption. I am also for game fixes that would help stop Bots and secure gameplay.

I dont think i'll ask this dev any more questions, as he asked me to stop spreading lies. Asking a question is not a lie, but he's a dev and I guess he doesnt understand the difference.

Free month by turning in a random bot/RMT? I like the sound of that.

Oh, talking about gyms, could CCP possibly consider the idea of striking a deal with some chain of gyms? I'd kinda like the idea of a Get Fit 4 PLEX program too.

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Thing is that you can buy a billion isk for $35 from ccp.

I heard in a eve song that a billion isk from *snip* Please do not post links to illegal sites. Spitfire was $56.98

So why anybody would rmt isk when ccp sells it for a lot less is beyond me,

They are tards why buy from a chinky farmer when you can do it legal from ccp.

i'm lost as to why risk and pay more.

Even the loot from a couple DED sites probably isn't nearly enough to get you flagged as a RMT *seller*, which is the only thing that will get an immediate ban. The worst that could happen would be getting the isk removed, which you can petition back. Yes, that would suck. I'd still rather run that risk than allow the rampant growth of RMT and bots.

dont forget about isk washiing VIA: fake ganks.

anyways good job. im not the least bit worried about the market it will balance itself out.

I have seen in system about 30% less bots in the last few days.

The effects might be visible in the coming weeks.

In the coming weeks we also have drones alloys being removed, this caused a big speculative surge.
In the next soon mini expansion they announced complete tier 0 items (with BPO) removal from all the loot tables.
Right now all those I know (and they are maaaaaany) are buying minerals like crazy. Prices are rising fast.

Plus we still have the ISK faucets pumping money in the system.

End result of all of this are prices going up. Prices going up don't necessarily mean inflation though, ISK faucets cause inflation but commodities prices are "just" globally shifting up in few shots.

Yes you can sell a GTC for ISK on the forums using the secure GTC trading feature. However what the buyer receives isn't a GTC but 60 days of time added to their account.

Agreed! (Quoting so I don't have to paraphrase this since I'm typing too much below as is)

It hasn't been said particularly well in this thread, but I think most of the nervousness of players who have built something "unsupported" in the sandbox is that future methods for security or whatnot are going to trample over everyone in a "**** everyone who isn't using hard coded game features" way. I doubt this would happen in an extreme way, but most of the early replies in the thread did nothing to allay this concern, and plenty to aggravate it. Which is probably why there is so much in the way of OH GOD MY LOANS comments at this point.

Waiting until real scenarios exist and handling them and making policy off of those is fine if not a better way to deal with these situations than trying to guess beforehand. However, making comments to the effect of "our methods can do no wrong" or "there are no false positives" is not helpful, and are recognizable for the bluffs that they are. The very definition of a false positive is a mistaken classification. If the mistake is never recognized, the false positive is never identified, but it does not mean it does not exist.

Anyway, the security situation is complex, and there are going to be complex cases, as there have been complex cases before. Mistakes are made, it happens. Downplaying that comes off as indifference though, which is very, very bad. Any time a developer or someone in a position of power displays an attitude that can be taken as "there is no collateral damage / I don't care about collateral damage" that undermines said power and causes fear and distrust. It's not really security's problem that support isn't consistent with its handling of cases, but it needs to be CCP's problem. This just happens to be one of the first or only sane places where the fear of this problem can be expressed properly.

Please be aware of this.

As an aside, it looks like security has been stepped up a level, which is great, and I really like the effort put into getting feedback and reporting general information that has happened in the last week or so. Keep up the good work there.