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[Proposal] Ships balancing - Frig Vs Bs
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Pantorus Necraliss
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-04 13:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Pantorus Necraliss
One reason why frigs are not used in fleet fights is cause of small drones who powned them.

I propose to remove Bs ability to use small drones (so to limit them to med and large drones)


No limitation for T2 Bs, Marauder need all drones and Black op actually don't really need to be nerfed

That will encourage variety in fleets, and will allow low skills players and frigs specialist to join the fight

Best regards,
Panto.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-04 13:56:21 UTC
So you want to make it so that BSes have issues running lvl 4 missions. I don't think that's a good idea at all.

Suggesting changes that break a large use of a ship to solve a small issue is stupid. Besides, frigs are already used as fast tackle for fights. Yes, they'll likely die, but there's nothing stopping low SP pilots from getting into fights like that and having fun with a cheap throwaway ship.
Pantorus Necraliss
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-04 14:05:33 UTC
You still can easily kill lvl 4 frig rats with medium drones, also u can fit a web in order to help.

Not a real issue for me, missions rat are way more easy to kill than players...
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-04 14:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Pantorus Necraliss wrote:
One reason why frigs are not used in fleet fights is cause of small drones who powned them.

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This is complete and utter bull####.

Not supporting.

you obviously have no idea what fleet fights are all about.

Frigs are frequently used as tackle...drones are a hazard no matter what ship your flying.

Your proposal would break several mechanics very easily.

Please don't bother coming up with ideas you don't know anything about.

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Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-04 15:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravenesa
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BS's need light drones to deal with PvE and small scale PvP (Yes PvP exists outside of massive fleets!)

Mediums will have problems against fast frig PvP, even with a web.

The poor Rokh would be completely boned!
Pantorus Necraliss
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-04 16:02:22 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:



This is complete and utter bull####.

Not supporting.

you obviously have no idea what fleet fights are all about.

Frigs are frequently used as tackle...drones are a hazard no matter what ship your flying.

Your proposal would break several mechanics very easily.

Please don't bother coming up with ideas you don't know anything about.


More agressive pls Roll
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-04-04 16:06:38 UTC
Pantorus Necraliss wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:



This is complete and utter bull####.

Not supporting.

you obviously have no idea what fleet fights are all about.

Frigs are frequently used as tackle...drones are a hazard no matter what ship your flying.

Your proposal would break several mechanics very easily.

Please don't bother coming up with ideas you don't know anything about.


More agressive pls Roll


I'm sorry....I didn't mean to hurt your feelings....If you feel so offended please go to Hello Kitty Online..you'll find its much nicer over there.

In the mean time...stop breaking up the PVP world with your carebear ideas.

Thanks....have a nice day and welcome to EVE Online.

I'd expect everyone else to fry my little rump with an idea like that...don't expect any mercy from me.

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2012-04-04 16:36:08 UTC
Asking for a 'nerf' to BS, to address a problem that you have with light drones is rather ham-fisted (like CCP, so watch this space!).

Better solution, one that leaves PvE as is AND solves your problem, is to decrease their activation/orbit range or decrease their orbiting speeds .. either one will make lights MWD burn a lot more, thus making popping them for a frig that much easier.
Pantorus Necraliss
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-04 16:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pantorus Necraliss
@ Drake Draconis

Cannot play Hello Kitty for moment, ur dad using my account.

And don't cry for ur PvP, i understand u are scared to see ur Bs burning cause of frigs but ask santa for a new one...


"...with your carebear ideas." > seriously ?


@ Ravenesa :

True for the Rokh, but he need a complete rebalance anyway...
Yes meds will have problems against frigs, but add some frigs or some cruiser (or Bc) in your fleet and it's ok

@ Veshta Yoshida :

Yes, that could be a good solution. Nice idea, i like but that will also nerf the cruisers size ships (and some frigs)...
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-04 16:57:57 UTC
Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-04 17:09:44 UTC
Pantorus Necraliss wrote:
@ Drake Draconis

Cannot play Hello Kitty for moment, ur dad using my account.

And don't cry for ur PvP, i understand u are scared to see ur Bs burning cause of frigs but ask santa for a new one...


"...with your carebear ideas." > seriously ?



Classic Carebear come back...please pubbie....keep crying your tears.

You should learn to play the game instead of breaking it.

Out here in 0.0 space we use frigates friequently....typically interceptors....assault frigates....and even the classic rifter (ftw).

We employ Battleships frequently as well...and drones to deal with various situations.

In fact our fleets are a mixture of various classes and wide varieties of ships/drones to deal with fun things like conqureing space.

I've also been around enough small time fleet fights to know that no fleet worth its salt wouldn't be without a firgate to do some sort of scouting or tackling.

If you can't tackle..don't expect to get your prey.


I know for a fact you have no idea and likely live in high sec space chewing on level 4's.

So please...go away and do some research....dont bother coming back until you know what your talking about.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#12 - 2012-04-04 17:36:52 UTC
Pantorus Necraliss wrote:
One reason why frigs are not used in fleet fights is cause of small drones who powned them.
If your frig is agressed by a blob of drones... burn away. Let your friends do the damage.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-04-04 17:59:32 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about.

^ This.
OP is a clueless newbie.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2012-04-04 21:34:51 UTC
Not Supported. The odds of a frigate surviving a large battle are quite high if one knows what they are doing and remain situationally aware.

One time, I personally lead a whole blob of drones away from an engagement in a Crusader... and by the time the enemy realized what was happening (because they we preoccupied with my friends), the drones and I were more than 100km away from everyone. Most of the enemy opted to abandon their drones and throw out a "spare flight"... provided they had one
Now... did I miss out on some killmails? Yes. Did I point anyone? No. Did I contribute to my fleet in some way? Hell yes. I led a bunch of DPS off field and am I'm still using some of the drones I picked up that day.Twisted

How did you Veterans start?
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#15 - 2012-04-04 22:57:09 UTC
Not supported.

Logical thinking alone stands between me and supporting this absurd idea.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-04-04 23:38:17 UTC
OP has never been in a fleet fight, and thus should not try and post ideas regarding them.

I have never been in a fleet fight that did not involve frigates.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-04 23:40:41 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
OP has never been in a fleet fight, and thus should not try and post ideas regarding them.

I have never been in a fleet fight that did not involve frigates.


I have.....

It sucks....

Frigates are a requirement IMHO.....awfully hard to get anywhere without that small nimble ship of various abilties.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#18 - 2012-04-05 01:34:36 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Not Supported. The odds of a frigate surviving a large battle are quite high if one knows what they are doing and remain situationally aware.

One time, I personally lead a whole blob of drones away from an engagement in a Crusader... and by the time the enemy realized what was happening (because they we preoccupied with my friends), the drones and I were more than 100km away from everyone. Most of the enemy opted to abandon their drones and throw out a "spare flight"... provided they had one
Now... did I miss out on some killmails? Yes. Did I point anyone? No. Did I contribute to my fleet in some way? Hell yes. I led a bunch of DPS off field and am I'm still using some of the drones I picked up that day.Twisted

That is awesome.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-05 09:02:56 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Not Supported. The odds of a frigate surviving a large battle are quite high if one knows what they are doing and remain situationally aware.

One time, I personally lead a whole blob of drones away from an engagement in a Crusader... and by the time the enemy realized what was happening (because they we preoccupied with my friends), the drones and I were more than 100km away from everyone. Most of the enemy opted to abandon their drones and throw out a "spare flight"... provided they had one
Now... did I miss out on some killmails? Yes. Did I point anyone? No. Did I contribute to my fleet in some way? Hell yes. I led a bunch of DPS off field and am I'm still using some of the drones I picked up that day.Twisted

This totally just gave me the mental image of a trollface flying away with a whole swarm of drones struggling to catch up.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#20 - 2012-04-05 10:35:37 UTC
Pantorus Necraliss wrote:
You still can easily kill lvl 4 frig rats with medium drones, also u can fit a web in order to help.

Not a real issue for me, missions rat are way more easy to kill than players...


Not supported, I think the above statement invalidates the original proposal.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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