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Anti CCP sentiment by the dissaffected minority
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Jaryd Le'line
#41 - 2012-04-04 08:33:13 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Sony and ccp. Well my view. Sony said have all this wonderful creative freedom, here is money make your revolutions in gaming and be big! If CCP was in such financial troubles that they did fall under an umbrella, then glad it was sony. CCP also has strong ties with Nvidia. Don't hear any complaints about that. Oh, and everything CCP develops is proprietary, so unless the company completely folds, it is all theirs. Back to if...


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there are any ties besides a "Sony loves CCP for bringing a groundbreaking exclusive F2P game to our console!" then good for ccp. It means the alternatives would have been folding or heavens forbid.


EA

Brr... feel dirty for even mentioning the plaque to game makers.


Imho Sony isn't exactly much better than EA, they're a totally unethical company (though they've not always been, unlike EA). The worst is Sony drives its own games into the ground. They've racked up a nice list of semi-failed MMOs because they don't understand that you need to keep updating long running games after release (and not just with bland content expansions).

The best example is EverQuest 2. This game still probably has the most content of any (non-sandbox) MMO, but it's plagued by bugs, the "we want to be WoW"-disease and a horribly outdated engine. On top of that the F2P "version" of the game is a total ripoff and even worse, subscribers to the paid "version" (they're exactly the same game, though SOE likes to consider them separately) can't even play with full options on the F2P servers, effectively cutting them off from people they introduce to the game but that start out on the F2P server (unless you want to suffer through a gimped experience, even though you already paid for the content...).

SOE customer support was the worst I'd encountered until I tried SWToR (though you could actually make quite a good argument for SWToR not even having customer support).

The one thing SOE had sorta going for it is that they still tried new stuff (Vanguard for example) but then they fail to provide any form of continued support to the devs of said game and instead of playing to a game's strengths or be content with a niche market (as EVE does, this game is not for everyone, nor is it meant to be) they pull the plug or force it to be WoW-ified (because they think that's what the market needs/wants: another WoW-copy).

Would Microsoft have been better? Doubtful, but at least they have proven to know how to make good games.
Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-04-04 10:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Judge Solace
I see some people blowing off steam in defence of Goons, but very little opinion about the topic related matter.

Actually want to wade into the topic with your view of how you see Sony and its relationship with CCP? Will you actually go on record with your views?
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#43 - 2012-04-04 11:47:00 UTC
You dudes just DO NOT know how to drop anything.

IT.

IS.

OVER.

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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#44 - 2012-04-04 11:49:06 UTC
And, there is nothing to 'see' in the relationship between sony and CCP. They are doing a fine job of coordinating the interaction of Dust and EVE.

It's the mittani and his sycophants that want to destroy the games themselves and leave us twisting in the wind. That's THEIR words.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-04-04 12:37:49 UTC
Sony + CCP = Dust 514 great stuff, hope to see it on PC soon (TM).

Who knows where the realtionship may end up, assuming the EVE universe doesn't lose it's character in the process.

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Lanasak
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-04-04 13:11:31 UTC
can't wait for sony to get their hands on eve, given their history of running such successful MMOs like EverQuest and SWG

I eagerly await "new game enhancements"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2012-04-04 13:21:32 UTC
Now… people do realise that Sony has nothing to do with CCP's products, right?
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-04-04 13:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Judge Solace wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Show a little flexibility.


Thought i was by discussing it with you? I have given you an opportunity to clarify your current views.

Not my fault if originally you just wanted to brush the opportunity under the carpet.

So here is a perfect opportunity to "knit wounds" as a result. And I mean that both ways.

Of course you could just continue with your need to marganalise yourselves further?


You might want to read my post again bro.


I think in between reading your well reasoned post and continually glancing back at your alliance tag his brain just broke. Hence the incoherent babble he spewed in 'retort'.

edit- the idea that GSF (or sometimes the whole CFC) isn't an amorphous blob with a single opinion is just too much for some people. Weird isn't it?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-04-04 13:45:26 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Judge Solace wrote:
So do Goons now believe that CCP in conjunction with SONY didnt throw the Mittani "under a bus"?

Seems to have been a re-ccuring message, and now posts are popping up with similar sentiment to make people feel "bad" about the developers.

Will the Goons actually go on record as being in support of CCP and Sony?


This isn't a black and white issue so stop trying to force it to be one.

Many goon believe CCP threw Mittani under a bus. Many goons support CCP. These are not necessarily mutually exclusive groups. Many goons have mixed feelings about Sony.

I personally think what CCP did to Mittens was a little too extreme. Removing him from the CSM for making an ass of himself at a player gathering is fine, especially after Mittani owned up to his mistake and was open to being kicked off the CSM. Banning his character for a month for an idiotic thing said outside of the game was dumb. I still think CCP has done some incredible things with the game in the past year and I really hope they continue to focus on spaceships in space.

I don't own a PS3 so will not be playing DUST. As long as Sony isn't planning on buying out CCP or forcing their way on to CCP's board, I'm completely indifferent to them.

See, not black and white. Human beings are capable of being complex special snowflakes. Show a little flexibility.

It is black and white. Mittani fuckied up. Mittani got punished. Black. White.

He was not "thrown under a bus". He did a bad thing and CCP had to take action. Period. It's like you expect CCP to take a bad rap for something they did not do. You simply aren't willing to take responsibility for your own actions so you try to make it look like someone else is at fault instead. The only people that believe otherwise are Goons and Goon pets.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-04-04 13:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
See, someone else who can't read...

The dude was trying to explain that people within GSF have differing opinions on the whole thing. Hence not black and white.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2012-04-04 13:56:01 UTC
Judge Solace wrote:


Will the Goons actually go on record as being in support of CCP and Sony?



On behalf of Bat Country I can say that we <3 CCP and are loving the rampage they are currently on against the bots and RMT whores infesting this terrible internet spaceship game which we love dearly.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2012-04-04 13:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
It's like you expect CCP to take a bad rap for something they did not do.
No. Quite the opposite: he's expecting CCP not to take a bad rap for something they didn't do — after all, why would they? So why do they have to protect themselves to such a degree against a bad rap that they're not very likely to get to begin with?

Also, as others have pointed out, you rather missed what the black-or-white issue is (or, rather, why it isn't as simple as black or white).
Lanasak
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-04-04 14:03:28 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
It is black and white. Mittani fuckied up. Mittani got punished. Black. White.

He was not "thrown under a bus". He did a bad thing and CCP had to take action. Period. It's like you expect CCP to take a bad rap for something they did not do. You simply aren't willing to take responsibility for your own actions so you try to make it look like someone else is at fault instead. The only people that believe otherwise are Goons and Goon pets.


Are you still bitter about teh Goonies kicking your old alliance out of Deklein
Ravan Hekki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-04-04 15:49:42 UTC
Im not sure about the figures...but dont 15% of players use the forums and the other 85% enjoy the game?
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#55 - 2012-04-04 15:57:06 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Judge Solace wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Judge Solace wrote:
Selinate wrote:
The can of worms. It will not shut.


Don't know why you would want to bury this observation when it is obviously disccusing recent trends in the behaviour of forum posting.


Just post on whatever main you have in whatever alliance hates Goons. Really we don't care.


Too many to choose from I guess? lol


There, now that your bias is public we can let this thread die a peaceful death.


what do assumptions make you?

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#56 - 2012-04-04 15:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Doc Fury wrote:
Regular EVE players did not hurt CCP's reputation in front of Sony and thousands of players who were either present or watching a streaming video feed, a single person named "The Mittani" did that. Everyone should do well to remember it, and goons and their pets should "deal with it".


this... times a thousan
Stop deflecting blame
Accepting it once and then deflecting it in every quote afterwards and getting the Goons to cyberbully the media to change or remove their stories you dont like doesnt make you the big man you think it does. It makes YOU a
Quote:
CYBERBULLY
TOO

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#57 - 2012-04-04 16:13:00 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I'm curious how SONY is going to read this "interact with the Playstation" feature of EVE + Dust. All those Playstations going out to the kiddies this Christmas. All those kiddies running to mommy saying, "It's free to play, mom!" All those mommies...

Does SONY know what it's getting with CCP?


Yeah, what we need is some kind of rating system for games that would inform parents that it might not be appropriate for their pre-teens.

Oh wait....

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#58 - 2012-04-04 16:18:39 UTC
Irisa Selenia wrote:
I agree with OP, my main got a 2 week forum ban for sending copies of the fanfest video to Sony executives :(

Hmmm I guess I should have sent them to the Icelandic government instead....


... and this is why we can't have nice things.

People like to go on crusades, completely ignoring the fact that the crusade itself is far more destructive that whatever prompted the crusade in the first place.

Over reaction, you might look that one up.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#59 - 2012-04-04 16:26:27 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Regular EVE players did not hurt CCP's reputation in front of Sony and thousands of players who were either present or watching a streaming video feed, a single person named "The Mittani" did that. Everyone should do well to remember it, and goons and their pets should "deal with it".


this... times a thousan
Stop deflecting blame
Accepting it once and then deflecting it in every quote afterwards and getting the Goons to cyberbully the media to change or remove their stories you dont like doesnt make you the big man you think it does. It makes YOU a
Quote:
CYBERBULLY
TOO


Actually, holding the media to reporting facts is not cyber bullying.

In fact, you don't reallly understand what that term means.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#60 - 2012-04-04 17:57:46 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Regular EVE players did not hurt CCP's reputation in front of Sony and thousands of players who were either present or watching a streaming video feed, a single person named "The Mittani" did that. Everyone should do well to remember it, and goons and their pets should "deal with it".


this... times a thousan
Stop deflecting blame
Accepting it once and then deflecting it in every quote afterwards and getting the Goons to cyberbully the media to change or remove their stories you dont like doesnt make you the big man you think it does. It makes YOU a
Quote:
CYBERBULLY
TOO


You, uh. You can't "cyberbully" a corporation. You know that, right? No? Of course you don't. You're one of those people who likes to throw words around where they don't apply.

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