EVE General Discussion

How about giving players a Concord standing increase if you kill someone with a Scarlet Letter? Like they were a rat...

Make them a 'Fugitive' - a permanent account-wide Criminal status. All Wallets with cheated ISK & AUR will be impounded the moment they become Fugitive into EVE Central Bank authorized by CONCORD. CONCORD also applies a 'Fugitive Compunction Tax', an additional recalculating layer of taxation denying them of profit which credits into EVE Central Bank. Players can kill them without regret every time and be rewarded by EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool', feeding all EVE's cheated ISK & AUR back into the economy meaningfully. Eventually they'll be capitally punished if they fail after depleting their cheated wealth. This, to me, seems like a meaningful feature and immersive way to bring cheated ISK & AUR back into the player's game economy though I think I'm missing something about PLEXs.

1. The 'Fugitive' is out-game account-based whereas 'Suspect' and 'Criminal' is in-game character-based. You can always shoot them until the player proves their remorse in writing and gives-up their remaining whole cheated ISK & AUR.
2. They are permanent bounties tabbed as 'Fugitives' on the Bounty Office, briefly describing them. Recurrent bounties which allows CONCORD to legally gateway EVE Central Bank's reserve to involved parties upon each Medical Clone the 'Fugitive(s)' activates.
3. Fugitives will be prompt each {day(s)} on steps to show their remorse of their actions and respect to CCP, the Community and the game. Having the player do this may 'convert them', which was mentioned at Fanfest.
4. After all their cheated ISK & AUR is immediately credited into EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool'; back into the economy, a Fugitive failing to repent will be hunted by CONCORD Spec Ops after all their cheated ISK & AUR is fed back into the economy. They'll be quarantined for imposed Termination (Capital Punishment) and banned account.
5. 'Fugitive Compunction Tax' is also immediately applied to intercept their efforts to profit. This Tax goes straight into EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool' reserve.
6. All 'Fugitives' will reward you equal amounts of Bounty ISK, treated fairly. Encouraging universe-wide hunting and purging.

Bounty: The mathematics of fugitive bounty distribution must be cleverly calculated enough to have EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool' be depleted to maximum of 10,000,000.00 ISK each week, thus making it a varied reward. Highest cheater will be at top of 'Fugitive' list. The mathematics of 'Fugitive Compunction Tax' continuing wrong-doing must also deny their profit calculating their continued cheated income that is credited into EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool' for bounty rewarding.

Lottery: If EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool' is failed to be depleted below a threshold through bounty rewarding, a new Lottery game-feature live event must ensue to deplete this reserve to 0.0 ISK into multiple legit player-character's Wallets; back into the economy. Provided by the gambling service that provides service for EVE's future Gladiator Arena.


Key: Inadmissible credit will be destroyed!!
Key: Only when an account is banned will you see an escrow of this ISK & AUR be transferred into 'fugitive pool' reserve to prevent laundering, maybe.

My opinion is that botters should be marked, labled, or otherwise made publicly known for their crimes

Reasons for this
a) Corporations should know if they are recruiting, or have recruited characters found guilty of botting and/or associated with botting. Bots are a supplement to mains, so some other character is still benefiting from the bot. We should know who this is, because why shouldnt be able to be aware if we interact with a criminal, such as the sex offender registry

b) Players will know, without having to figure out and/or guess if a player was botting. If bots are marked, then players wishing to kill only bots will be able to make a cursory glance and punish those individuals further for their devious actions. this might be ganking, or just not interacting with them, or as boring as bumping them away from their destinations :

Now, this is the key to success with this program CCP will have to be absolutely sure of the character being marked, that they are infact guilty of botting, and therfore acting against the EULA, There should be no doubt what so ever as to the guilt of the marked character

It is already listed that characters found guilty of botting will be barred from the Character Bazzar, so we do not have to worry about purchasing a botted Character There were concerns about people being able to removed their marked status, and my answer to that is: There is no reason for this; if a character is marked as a bot, then your stuck with the consequences of your actions. As for the Sex offender registry example used earlier: If you commit the crime, then you will be known for yuor crime for life, why should you be able to hide from this?

Again, this comes back to CCP only marking characters that are guilty without a doubt

Also, as with other criminal offenses here in the real world, give them a benefit of the doubt for the 1st time with only a warning, maybe a few day ban, and a removal of assets and what not. Also you could reduce their security status, meaning that they will have to work their asses off to get back to empire and on the not so bad list again

However, if you are going to do it again, then shame on you. If CCP will not perma-ban you on the 2nd time, then you should be marked for it. Besides if you did it twice, why wont you try a 3rd time

As for anyone who will make the claim that some people are unaware of botting being against the EULA, then to you I say, Learn to Read or otherwise research your decisions. Botting is something that gives you an advantage over people who do not bot. If this were not illegal, then more people would do it and this game would be bots and PVP, therefore it wouldnt be an advantage anymore. If something gives you an advantage, then it is probably a glitch/cheat/ or against EULA or something. Someone else, somewhere else has already thought of it, so if it isnt comonplace, then somehing is wrong about it But anyways, to keep to the point: As summary Marked characters is a good thing for the rest of us. if your against this, then you are a botter and should quit doing it to aleviate those of you criminals that think you will be acused and marked even though what you are doing is wrong, but not botting, there should be a gaurentee that the mark will only be place on characters that have 0% doubt as to their guilt There might also be a warning before the mark for the idiots that for some reason had thought it was ok to bot. however if this is the case, let us all know... maybe we can all try botting 1 time until we get caught

The biggest concern for any of this: WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE CHARACTERS THAT ARE ASSCOCIATED TO BOTS? THE ONES THAT GAIN ALL THE ISK? ARE THEY ALSO BEING ADVERSLY AFFECTED? ATLEAST TAKING THEIR ASSETS? IF THEY HAVE A FLEET OF BOTS WORKING FOR THEM, THEN BANNING A FEW WILL JUST BE A SETBACK TO THEIR GREATER PLAN, SO THE CHARACTER IN QUESTION NEEDS PENALTIES AS WELL, OTHERWISE THE SAME OFFENDERS JUST COME BACK WITH A DIFFERNT NAME

This had to be caps so that it draws the attention to the real problem

My PoV...

Flagging should last for 1 day per qty of isk confirmed as botted.

I see the first flag as being kept reasonably quiet alongside Impounded ISK/Assets to allow further investigation and to allow for any accidental false positives (I would like to assume there were none, but always better to be safe than sorry.), prior to those ISK/Assets being removed from the game.

The second flag being the Scarlet Letter version..
A CEO or Director would automatically have their Corp Member Listing flagged for all of their fellow Corp and Alliance members upon getting the second flag.

Flag:
1a. Personal Character Info (Via NeoCom) shows as Flagged with a warning about future actions.
1b. Applications to Corps flagged for CEO/Directors/Recruiters as potential problem.
1c. Corp Member Listing flagged for that Corps CEO/Directors as potential problem.
1d. Impounded (and then removed) ISK/Assets.

2a. Personal Character Info (Via NeoCom) shows as Flagged with a final warning about being banned.
2b. Applications to Corps flagged.
2c. Corp Member Listing flagged for that Corps(/Alliances at CEO discression) members.
2d. Removed ISK/Assets.

During the second flag timer the following could also apply:
2e. Marked as Wanted (Reason being: Botting, Exploiting, etc.) - Scarlet Letter.
2f. No Concord Protection, upto -10 Sec Status.
2g. Flagged as a Militia target for every Militia.

3. Perma-Banned!

I SUGGEST YOU READ CCP SREEGS LATEST BLOG HE ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION VERY SATISFACTORILY

Hot pink and pony's is the answer.

After getting un-banned, all ships of offender are hot-pink ( for all to see ) for a , month.

2e offence.. 3 months... ( be creative )


Some my little pony tags in his profile..


That, or a "tag" on your face, like a wanted tag , but then , again in hot-pink. "botlord" .
To be removed after a specific timeframe.

As much as I'd love to rub one's nose in it, that's all you accomplish. Yeah sure, I'd love to know the "truth" about certain 0.0 alliances, but it's not really going to make any solid difference to my EVE experience.

Just ban them and leave it there.

Graciousness in victory and all that.

The biggest benefit would indeed be for potential CEO's and directors to avoid involvement with those less ethical individuals... but tbh, that would only work if it's a scarlet letter on every single account/character the individual uses. To think that a botter is using their main is somewhat silly...
Then again, it seems like the whole 'rehab' concept would only work on those who are not scum, but simply had a period of weakness and thought trying botting would be acceptable. The hardcore botters will simply bio their accounts and start new ones on a different proxy, or (hopefully) leave EVE alone and go back to botting in WoW.

Having said all that, as long as it's something they can earn their way out of, then it can't be a bad thing to at least try it out. If someone will bio the account/char they actually play just because they got a puke/rainbow collored 'B'(please use that ccp) on their portrait, they then probably didn't have the stomach for eve anyway.

Edit: at the very least, PLEASE name the characters that are perma-banned so we can see who's titans/supers were built with RMT and botting.

Implement in stages...

Strike one: (B) You receive a letter on your applications to any corp and only you and the CEO can review this information. What he does with it is up to the CEO.

Strike Two: (A) You receive a public letter in your decorations that cannot be turned off for one year or longer.

Strike Three: (N) No more need to shame, player receives a BAN.


Crime has consequences. If the payers do not have peer pressure to dissuade wrongful activities through the possibility of public shame, then this game should be a solo standalone client.

How about instead of making it a public name and shame thing, making it a searchable database or api request item. Something Corporations and Alliances can use to check if the charcater looking to join them has been flagged as botter at some point during their career in eve. This then doesnt neccesarily publicaly smear their name but does give the corporate leaders a option for checking for a behavoir that may not want to be a part of their corporate views.

Also when a player is flagged as being a botter a ingame mail is then generated and sent to the CEO of said corp notifying them that a member of their corp was flagged for botting just like the CEO now receives messages when a player leaves the corp.

Of course there is always the chance with this info someone then uses it for meta gaming purposes but it then rest upon the members of said corp and community to use it hopefully in an ethical manner.