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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#5001 - 2012-04-04 10:13:00 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...


You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him.

But we can always build more killbots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be



Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ai Shun
#5002 - 2012-04-04 10:18:18 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.


Indeed. The consequences for The Wis is long over. The Mittani will carry the consequences with him as long as Google exists and not only in-game, but in the world outside as well. As one of the bloggers said - what is on the first page of Google results if you search for his name ... pretty damning and damaging to him.
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5003 - 2012-04-04 10:23:12 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...


You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him.

But we can always build more killbots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be



Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.



The flip reverse defence really is mindless, mittens claiming calling him a cyberbully for actually cyberbullying sombody is cyberbullying in itself so he will get his odious minions to cyberbully others to stop accusing him of being a cyberbully.

His ten ton hammer column that is just more whiney excuses also demonstrates a legal understanding that would make mr bean look bright. Cyberbullying is not only about children, it is not only about repeated behaviour. The more mittens whines, complains, denies and deflects away from the issue that he set out to be deliberatly offensive at the panel, as evidenced by the bolton video doing the rounds the worse he looks.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5004 - 2012-04-04 10:30:38 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...


You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him.

But we can always build more killbots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be



Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.


Who exactly took part in these activities? A youtube link to a video with people talking freely surely isn't what you are talking about.
Lexmana
#5005 - 2012-04-04 10:31:44 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.


You don't get it do you? He doesn't apologise for his presentation. He apologies for the remark he made during Q&A.

I for one think the mindless mob mentality behind anonymous posting aliases on Internet forums is much worse than that slip of the tongue.

The most pathetic ones in this thread are the ones still circling the cadavre like vultures and likely also feeling very good about it. You should start thinking about what RL issues makes you want to taste blood on the internet. Wouldn't it be better to grow a pair and speak up against your mother, boss or whomever you think is not treating you with the respect you believe you deserve.

Chill out.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5006 - 2012-04-04 10:37:01 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.


You don't get it do you? He doesn't apologise for his presentation. He apologies for the remark he made during Q&A.

I for one think the mindless mob mentality behind anonymous posting aliases on Internet forums is much worse than that slip of the tongue.

The most pathetic ones in this thread are the ones still circling the cadavre like vultures and likely also feeling very good about it. You should start thinking about what RL issues makes you want to taste blood on the internet. Wouldn't it be better to grow a pair and speak up against your mother, boss or whomever you think is not treating you with the respect you believe you deserve.

Chill out.


The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5007 - 2012-04-04 10:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalathia Eginald
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Respect is earned, not deserved.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5008 - 2012-04-04 10:59:21 UTC
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Respect is earned, not deserved.


So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#5009 - 2012-04-04 11:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok

Indeed.

What is puzzling in the whole case is how people think that "he started it" somehow justifies adults being idiots to each other. First it is a ship blowing up justifying emotional blackmail by suicide threats. Then it's suicide threats justifying public mocking and bullying. Then it's bullying justifying real-life threats to someone's family... Wonder what comes next. If the quality reasoning presented by the community so far continues, we will surely end up with murder and real-life wardecs. Escalation of an interweb spaceship game causing real life hurt leads to nuclear winter! "They started it", explains a survivor to the last surviving newspaper.

But while the above is true, it is sort of irrelevant to my point about how sending hostile spam is not a good way of stopping the media from talking about a case of hostilities. For that point it does not matter if the people who send the spam are correct or not in what they say or are trying to advocate. It is just that it will not work, because true or not, it will convince the media that the people behind the spam indeed are a hostile crowd who do not hesitate to use their numbers against an individual.
Lexmana
#5010 - 2012-04-04 11:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Harry Farina wrote:
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Respect is earned, not deserved.


So tell me how you treat random strangers.


I can tell you one thing I don't do and that is activating my lasers and scram on them when they are peacefully engaging pirates in an asteroid belt.

Do you see the difference here? It is a game and we do things in this game that we would never do IRL. In fact, some of the activities we do in game would lead to capital punishment in some (primitive) countries IRL.

People RP in EVE. And so does the Mittani. He is RPing a goon leader and as such he does what is expected of a goon leader. If you want his respect in game you have to figure out how to earn respect of a goon. Simple as that.

The alliance panel is part of EVE online. It is an RP arena hosted by CCP and is very much part of the meta-game of EVE. If you want evidence for that interpretation you might consider the ban put on him by CCP for breaking the EULA/TOS.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5011 - 2012-04-04 12:25:05 UTC
After viewing all related events and material pertaining to this situation, the only conclusion anyone can deduct from all this is that The Mittani's apology and statements posted by 'His People' trying to justify his actions is nothing more than a classic example of hypocrisy.

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#5012 - 2012-04-04 13:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Serene Repose wrote:
This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.


I agree BUT Ironic given your name

Frying Doom wrote:
Cerabix wrote:
Honestly this guy has taken every step he could to do damage control.

Like owning up to his mistake and not blaming others for it?


like blaming the alcohol but jus sayin...

Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...


"This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (as a site) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.

But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself:

(3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition."

Cyberbully to remove the cuberbully tag. Great strategy

also... Poor journalism is caving to the pressure of the ppl you are writing about

man, the RP defense... thats ******* priceless by the way

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#5013 - 2012-04-04 14:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense?

Quote:
3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.
c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue.

Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#5014 - 2012-04-04 15:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Rico Minali wrote:



Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.


If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying


DONT CYBERBULLY

How is that ******* hard?
And cyberbullying the media site (NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause

Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense?

Quote:
3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.
c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue.

Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).


sweet so his RP defense only makes it worse and they actually HAVE a reason to ban him now

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5015 - 2012-04-04 16:22:32 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Do you see the difference here? It is a game and we do things in this game that we would never do IRL. In fact, some of the activities we do in game would lead to capital punishment in some (primitive) countries IRL.

Bashing the U.S. are you? Huh? Huh? Blink
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#5016 - 2012-04-04 16:41:40 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:



Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.


If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying


DONT CYBERBULLY

How is that ******* hard?
And cyberbullying the media site (NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause



1: I am not associated with cyber bullying and never will be.
2: Dont swear at me, you might get petitioned, much like I did when I said vomit.
3: I dont have a cause.

What I am against is anyone prepared to try and cause someone any harm simply to further their in game ambitions or as repayment for their pixels being exploded. I have never defended what The Mittani said, what I have done is stood up against the fact that what he said is being used to try and further in game ambitions by people who are either a: his enemies, or b: butthurt by something teh goons have done in the past.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#5017 - 2012-04-04 16:49:36 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia

Lol

+1 for the 'professional' media site that has a teenager or pre-teen as their editor-in-chief. I'll bet the emails took his lunch money too.
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#5018 - 2012-04-04 17:00:59 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Indeed.

What is puzzling in the whole case is how people think that "he started it" somehow justifies adults being idiots to each other. First it is a ship blowing up justifying emotional blackmail by suicide threats. Then it's suicide threats justifying public mocking and bullying. Then it's bullying justifying real-life threats to someone's family... Wonder what comes next. If the quality reasoning presented by the community so far continues, we will surely end up with murder and real-life wardecs. Escalation of an interweb spaceship game causing real life hurt leads to nuclear winter! "They started it", explains a survivor to the last surviving newspaper.

.


This is absolutely true. So why are we still arguing the toss? I have not at any point said any of what has happened is justified, apart from that very first ship destruction, which was a simple (though unhappy for the victim) in game event. Everything done since that event has been a wrong and unjustifiable reaction.

None on it is defendable, everything done was wrong from the emotional blackmails up to the threats of real life harm to people who dont even play Eve.

What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc and there is no point arguing that no one is doign it for exactly that reason and no other. I dare say some people really do have some moral outrage going on but this number will be small, the majority arguing for ccp to permaban and everythign else are doing it for in game reasons not moral ones.


So... Im leaving it here. No more from me on this matter.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5019 - 2012-04-04 17:28:58 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Respect is earned, not deserved.


So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".


I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5020 - 2012-04-04 17:33:14 UTC
Ah the thread that keeps on threading
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