EVE General Discussion

Of course you get to call the cops. These laws were enacted to deal with nasty old demonstrators who get out of hand. Go up to a cop and call him a *mortarforker*, the real set of words there. What I can't believe is you're unaware these sorts of laws exist. There's a long country mile between what you've heard, and what's in those big thick books. People have ideas about their world that don't match up to the realities.

Where do I live? I live in a place where if I'm afraid of you I can shoot you. There's ten other places like this and seven more with such laws being passed as we toss meaningless text back and forth. The U.S. hasn't been the land of free speech ever. The facts of all this make much more interesting reading than any sci fi book.

I'm not going to do your research for you. If it actually interests you, you'll find a way. "Look it up for me and copy/paste it in here so I can say something derogatory about it." Not only is that an ungentlemanly request, it's rather lazy. "You do the work. I'll beat my chest and bray."

People like to make Constitutional issues out of what they see are outrages. Constitutional attorneys are a bit more circumspect about what they'd undertake. The odds of someone who's subject to the law in question being able to fund a fight "all the way to the Surpreme Court" are slim to none. My point was the word "Trolling" isn't in the law. It's in the headline. The leap of logic that then places it into the law itself is the same sort of "reasoning" this thread is rapt with. It's the same sort of reasoning you get at a bar with the bartender, and some guy. Everyone speaks with such surity. Nobody's got a clue.

Thanks for making my point that EVE isn't a dichotomy. I thought I said that already. It isn't a representative slice of society either...I think you said THAT already. I do not agree there's a "plethora" of views here. I think the views are rather limited and predictable for the most part, with occassional flashes of brilliance. However the views of enforcing a law such as this would in all likelihood be those held by people who don't game at all. In fact, any jury would likely be peopled by folks who think how people in EVE behave shouldn't be allowed at anytime on any level. EVE players are far from any majority except in EVE.

Your dream of a Supreme Court battle over the Constitutionality of restricting behavior and speech in EVE (specifically) is unlikely to be shared by those who live in the real world. The amount of cases the SC refuses to hear is rather HUGE. If you want to get laughed out of a lawyer's office, run and tell him you've got a Constitutional issue with how you're being treated in EVE by some media law action. "Uh...right..." It has nothing to do with right or wrong, legal or illegal, Constitutional or no...it has to do with what people consider to be significant, or worth the trouble to bother with.

In the U.S.? LOL! They'll be lining up for it.

Not only that, they'll be hiring agents to get them on all the talk shows as well.

Christ, U.S. law schools churn out lawyers like a flock of sheep churns out ****. You think not every single one of them dreams of getting a high profile case like that?

Mr Epeen

Why is Arizona so goddamn backwards?

Yeah, because we all know the US government follows the intent and letter of the Constitution, amirite?

Ummm...I don't own a gun. Never have. Never will. You're saying "enforced" a lot now. That's a different matter. The murder statue in Texas wasn't enforced when Kennedy was murdered. So...that's a horse of a different color. Why, there's a boatload of immigration laws that haven't been enforced for decades, come to think of it.

And, you gun owners give yourselves a bad name. The law Zimmy is hiding behind is an NRA creation. They're trying to go nationwide with it. You can mischaracterize it as "shoot who[m]ever I want" but...the term was "afraid". Thomas Jefferson said for this democracy to work it requires an educated voting public. Odd, eh?

I absolutely love how vague this law is. Doesn't have a chance in hell to stand up in a court of law, thank god! OMG! I said "Thank God", and I'm almost certain that would annoy or offend someone, somewhere. I'm totally a criminal in Arizona! I can understand what they're trying to get at, but really, their state legislature is made up of ******* idiots. This is pretty much the equivilent of saying "5 people drowned last year. So we outlawed all liquids".

I hope all the non-goons who sent threats to **** The Mittani's wife and kill his dog live there.

Funny how no one here is getting outraged about that.

End of the internetz is nigh.

And that's exactly what's wrong with the US: you think it's "normal" to have the threat of a gun shoved in your face on a daily basis.

You're right, the US IS a nice place to live if you have a shallow and materialistic personality. I left the US for this exact reason. Americans equate convenience with quality of life. Americans live in a hypothetical and theoretical world where the reality oftentimes differs greatly from said hypotheses and theories. Sure, we spout these catch-phrases like bleating sheep but in reality they mean nothing to the majority of Americans.

The fact of the matter is that the daily life in the US doesn't stand up to the principles on which it is based. People love to spout about how "free" you are when what they're really talking about is how cheap everything is. Americans like America because they can buy things, not because of it having such a great quality of life over other countries. You love the US because of Wal-Mart and convenience stores and cheap Ford Mustangs, not because it's such a great place to live. You think it's a great place to live BECAUSE of these things. If you had ever lived anywhere else in the world with a high quality of life for the entire population, you would see this.

If you want to be entertained constantly and need to constantly distract yourself from reality, the US is the place to be. If you want to live in reality where you can enjoy life without having to make at least six figures per year, then move to Europe.

I'm American, btw.