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Is this an exploit or not?

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Prince Kobol
#1 - 2012-04-04 09:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.

If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.

I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.

Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.

Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
Kehro Urgus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-04 10:01:55 UTC
I seem to recall a post about someone being banned for this very thing...

Yeeee! 
Ai Shun
#3 - 2012-04-04 10:10:29 UTC
Related question, is there a place you can see all known exploits that can result in a ban? I had a search across the KB and EVElopedia for "Exploit" and the results don't have a list.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#4 - 2012-04-04 10:10:57 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
I seem to recall a post about someone being banned for this very thing...


Was a few weeks back, I think, I read it, too. No definitive answer whether this is considered to be an exploit or not. Though honestly, I don't see why it would count as such, you're using the tools the game client comes with and nothing more, really.
Ai Shun
#5 - 2012-04-04 10:14:22 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
you're using the tools the game client comes with and nothing more, really


Isn't that true of a lot of exploits? E.g. the boomerang warping off grid, etc.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2012-04-04 10:27:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
No.
Francisco Bizzaro
#7 - 2012-04-04 10:31:03 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Related question, is there a place you can see all known exploits that can result in a ban? I had a search across the KB and EVElopedia for "Exploit" and the results don't have a list.

This has been requested before, and I'm not sure CCP has ever given a good explanation for why such a list doesn't exist.

Probably it has to do with the fear of "giving people ideas". I rather think it would actually save their GMs a lot of time, provided it is understood that the list is not exhaustive. Evelopedia would be a sensible and easy to maintain place for this list.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-04 10:33:53 UTC
How is this banable?

Assuming you're doing it in an anom, then, you're in 0.0, so roamers are why you shouldn't
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-04 10:39:19 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.

If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.

I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.

Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.

Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?


I don't see how it could possibly be considered an exploit. It's using the game mechanics as they were designed. It doesn't involve any bugs, client modifications or third party programs.
Prince Kobol
#10 - 2012-04-04 10:39:28 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
How is this banable?

Assuming you're doing it in an anom, then, you're in 0.0, so roamers are why you shouldn't


Nope, the person who claims they were banned were in high sec
malaire
#11 - 2012-04-04 10:50:49 UTC
Official way to ask if something is exploit is to make petition in "exploits" category.

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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-04-04 10:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: St Mio
Of interest "Banned by GM for RRing sentry drones. Dev verdict required"
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-04 11:03:08 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
How is this banable?

Assuming you're doing it in an anom, then, you're in 0.0, so roamers are why you shouldn't


Nope, the person who claims they were banned were in high sec


HA, so war dec them, problem solved.

This doesn't seem that different from the old "domi take full agro, drop drones, go make food"
Irisa Selenia
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-04 11:12:42 UTC
I remember reading about some people getting bans for doing this in cosmos plexes.
Thomas Gallant
Quafe Company Courier Shipping
#15 - 2012-04-04 11:20:00 UTC
it would seem kind of odd if such a thing was bannable, as the drones are programed to attack whatever on their own, If you aren't meant to let drones attack on their own, why are they programed to behave that way? It would be like getting banned for using the auto-pilot, it's programed to be automatic, and not require a ton of attention.
GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#16 - 2012-04-04 11:39:56 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.

If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.

I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.

Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.

Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?



Not an exploit

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-04 11:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
GM Homonoia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.

If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.

I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.

Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.

Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?



Not an exploit


So the other guy who claimed he got banned for doing this... lied ?

Edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360

This thread. Only one GM post at the end, which locked it.
No idea what really happened, but he claims he did this and got banned.

No reason to believe he didn't actually do it, so it's rather confusing.
Otoh, of course he could have done something else he shouldn't have, but still ...
InstinctE17
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-04-04 11:53:54 UTC
according to ccp you cant even talk about a exploit wheather its real or not. that is a bannable offense. you are only allowed to petition it in order to discuss it. be very careful in these matters as i have been on the wrong end of this situation in the past
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#19 - 2012-04-04 12:09:00 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.

If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.

I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.

Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.

Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?



Not an exploit


So the other guy who claimed he got banned for doing this... lied ?

Edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360

This thread. Only one GM post at the end, which locked it.
No idea what really happened, but he claims he did this and got banned.

No reason to believe he didn't actually do it, so it's rather confusing.
Otoh, of course he could have done something else he shouldn't have, but still ...


More than likely that fella might have done something illegal while his ships were ratting npcs.

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Raneru
Viper-Squad
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2012-04-04 12:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Raneru
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.

If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.

I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.

Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.

Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?



I'm confused. How exactly would you do this " indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools" ?

If your drones go out of your very limited shield transporter range, they wont get repped. Even if you could guarantee that the npcs and drones stayed in range (sentries), running 5 transporters along with your own local tank wouldn't really be practical. Not to mention killing small npcs with sentries is tough.
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