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Cyber Bullying, a definition, a letter to The Mittani and time for some of you to wake up.

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Foxy Ferret
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-04 08:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Foxy Ferret
I posted this on another thread after listening to the eve radio interview of Mittens and realised this needs it's own discussion thread.

With legislation heating up around the world over cyber bullying, its time some of you woke up and smelled the coffee. You may think your behaviour and actions are completely harmless, but the reality is, your actions, your words and your behaviour can have extremely adverse effects on people in real life and will ultimately be the downfall of CCP and EvE online if these things arent dealt with.

Before the swarm starts trolling, I am NOT an anti-goon ingame enemy, cry baby who got owned by Goons etc, nor am I some mamby pamby, or a carebear. I am however qualified in mental health and disability, I do work in this sector in real life and on a daily basis. So my letter to The Mittani is genuine and so is my concern.


A Letter to The Mittani:

The definition of cyber bullying fits very snuggly into what The Mittani encited in his fanfest speech....It fits very snuggly into any call to suicide online. There are no excuses, you don't get to feel sorry for yourself now Mr Mittens just because its rebounded back on your backside.

This is NOT about Goonswarm, this is NOT about The Mittani ingame..... This is about the real life man who stood up infront of thousands of viewers and encited the masses to cause a single person to commit suicide.

Shame on you!


Cyberbullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner.

Enciting people to cause someone who was obviously mentally unstable to commit suicide is deliberate, repeated and hostile!

The term "cyberbullying" was first coined and defined by Canadian educator and anti-bullying activist Bill Belsey, as "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."

Cyberbullying has subsequently been defined as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person". Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon.

Cyberbullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.

It doesnt matter that you didn't put out his real life name, the fact is you and the rest of goons participate in cyber bullying on a regular basis. If you are causing people harm by lowering their self esteem, by causing them to feel humiliated and outcast, you are cyber bullying. DEAL WITH IT!

Harmful effects:

Research had demonstrated a number of serious consequences of cyberbullying victimization. For example, victims have lower self-esteem, increased suicidal ideation, and a variety of emotional responses, retaliating, being scared, frustrated, angry, and depressed.

One of the most damaging effects is that a victim begins to avoid friends and activities, often the very intention of the cyber-bully.

Cyberbullying campaigns are sometimes so damaging that victims have committed suicide. There are at least four examples in the United States where cyber-bullying has been linked to the suicide of a teenager.

It does not matter a fig if you feel there is nothing in the way you or goons behave and that its all part of the sandbox and in good fun. If you are infact effecting people in a negative manner, if you are causing people to suffer emotional distress with what you are doing and how you are behaving, you are a cyber bully and you need to rethink your position.

If you want to call me an anti goon and pretend that somehow im calling for your blood because you did something nasty to me ingame you can please yourself, thats how you sleep at night, fair enough.

I am however, qualified in mental health and deal with people that suffer at the hands of people like you on a daily basis. Just because you are on the internet doesnt mean you are any different to the bullies in real life, bar the fact that you have an entire cult of sycophants following you down that road with blindfolds fully attached convincing you its ok to emotionally damage people as long as you cant see the real life behind the pixels.


Take the time to mull this over Goons and Mittens and think about how you would feel if it was your mother, brother, sister, cousin or best friend that was close to suicide because of the humiliation they felt from someone online. If you are totally lacking in humanity and are laughing right now, you are probably a sociopath and I cant believe you read this far =/
Foxy Ferret
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-04 09:01:39 UTC
Reserved because I have a feeling that The Mittani may already know what it feels like to be harrased/bullied online....
Private Shelter for Mad People
#3 - 2012-04-04 11:28:29 UTC
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "repeated" means performed onto victim on many occasions with same ill intent?
Foxy Ferret
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-04 11:50:53 UTC
Eidric wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "repeated" means performed onto victim on many occasions with same ill intent?

Which is exactly what was described as happening and then further encited later at fanfest correct?

How else do you summise they came up with the idea to further humiliate the man and carry on the humiliation with a plea to push him into suicide?

Took a wild punt at a char name and hoped for the best? or....

Made an entire alliance panel discussion with slides about the "repeated" griefing of this person and further enticement to carry on "repeated" humiliation and griefing after said alliance panel discussion ended.... aka cyber-bullying...

I do believe you catch my drift now... Blink
#5 - 2012-04-04 12:05:26 UTC
A new thread on a new, interesting topic
Private Shelter for Mad People
#6 - 2012-04-04 12:07:49 UTC
I do believe that actual alliance panel (or in our case the latter part) was mostly about griefing. If you consider the latter part of the alliance panel cyber-bullying as well then by your standards more than 25% of eve population are active cyber-bullies and should be prosecuted by law.

My stance is neutral in this argument, but I separate the actual panel and Q&A escalation f**kup into two separate episodes.
Vaurion Infara
#7 - 2012-04-04 12:09:05 UTC
Why is everyone caught up on the semantics of it? Who cares what you define it as? He said something terrible, he's been punished, situation rectified, end of story. Who gives a **** about the other stupid details.

this is it

Pancake Queen
Bookmark Both Sides
#8 - 2012-04-04 12:36:07 UTC
Considering the amount of discussion on this topic and the general venom in the OP, one wonders when the continued bashing of The Mittani (or whatever his name is) becomes cyber-bullying.

Man stuffs up, man gets punished. Time to end the cycle.
Slumber Hawk
Shadow on the moon
#9 - 2012-04-04 12:50:03 UTC

You missed a couple of points: Cyberbullies ...
- do not see the harm themselfs, unless pointed at it
- only accept authority to stop
- are mostly their own (local) authority
- will seek confirmation that it wasn't that bad
- think the punishment unfair for "just a joke"
- have a more pronounced inner and outercircle of friends
- rely on teamleader to define those circles according to acceptance of teamleader's value of behavior

each of those behaviors have a certain value towards recognising a cyberbully prior to the act(s), but most often, only after the act will one say: ah yes, now i see.

This of coarse stands aside from loners, which you can only recognise from the (small) facts it happend.
Delilah Wild
Concordokken Holdings
#10 - 2012-04-04 12:53:16 UTC
@ the OP: Hear, hear!

More anon.

Founder, Coalition of Anti-Pirates

Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-04 12:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
So, are there people still claiming this whole thing wasn't completely and utterly overblown? Clearly a lot of people have never made a mistake in their lives or made a joke in bad taste.

Pro-tip: Get the **** over yourself. No one cares. Go away.

edit- this ***** worse than a bunch of pensioners writing to their council... fml
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#12 - 2012-04-04 13:10:32 UTC
Noone forces anyone to play EVE online. If you don't appreciate the way people interact with eachother around here then u can either :


It is REALLY that simple.
Argyle Jones
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-04-04 13:11:14 UTC
There is a large grey area between the emergent sandbox game of serious internet spaceships and the real world implications of cyber bullying.

The brutal nature of the EVE Online sandbox means you can cheat, lie, steal, scam, attack the defenseless and generally grief everyone around you, but that doesn't mean you have to.

The Mittani and his compatriots crossed the line well before the alliance panel discussion at FanFest 2012. To break it down so anyone can understand it:

  • Blowing up the guy's 23 mackinaws: OK
  • Scamming the guy into pay billions in protection money: OK
  • Making fun of his depression and personal problems: NOT OK

The issue here being that while we all enjoy nefarious activities from time to time, once someone contacts you in an online game and unloads personal problems of a suicidal nature, it's not a game anymore, it's not fun for anyone involved and the correct thing to do in such a situation is to petition CCP.

Really, it amazes me that people can't tell the difference. This is what your mother meant when she said "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Have your fun, but don't take it too far.

How hard is that?


CCP Navigator
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2012-04-04 13:12:09 UTC
Ladies and Gentlemen,

While many of you are passionate about discussing the events at the alliance panel during Fanfest 2012 we are asking that you use this thread for your feedback. This subject does not need a daily new thread. Making duplicate topics is completely unnecessary and they will be locked and redirected.