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DUST will fail miserably

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2011-09-26 22:22:07 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


If Dust 514 is all about control of planets, how will that affect PI in Eve? And subsequently all POS mods/fuel etc...


Dust bunnies will do this to you're infrastructure
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#42 - 2011-09-26 22:35:53 UTC
Well, as an Eve player who also has a PS3, I'm definitely picking this up. I do think that not launching this on PC day 1 with the PS3 version is an incredibly huge mistake, but for all anyone knows, it could still be a success despite all the doubt surrounding it.

As long as it's a great game then console exclusivity won't matter one bit. Even if it's just 'okay,' that still might end up not being so bad. Look at MAG. PS3 exclusive and undoubtedly nothing mind-blowing, but still has a loyal fanbase of a couple couple thousand logged on at any moment last time I heard. Same with Socom, Killzone, Resistance, and even Uncharted.

Now I'm not saying that this game won't be a disappointment, but saying this game will fail is the same as saying it will be the greatest game of all time. You could come up with a list or reasons for each, but neither option is more valid than the other. In both cases, you're building weak evidence for something that is literally impossible to prove.

Therefore, rather than rage and expect this game to be bad, I choose to be optimistic. Sue me.
Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#43 - 2011-09-26 23:01:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.
Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by now…


resistance just had its second sequel (3rd game in the main series) released, with 2 or 3 spin off games already out for psp and at least one in the works for psvita, and i beleive insomniac are planning for a 4th game.

but yeah, its been a complete failure and dust is doomed to follow in its footsteps
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-09-26 23:02:53 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:


Also, console kiddies in Eve lol



A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#45 - 2011-09-26 23:06:24 UTC
Quote:
A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

Dude. I laughed so hard I fell off my chair and broke my bum! +1

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#46 - 2011-09-26 23:20:47 UTC

I don't understand why people think Dust has to compete with top titles in the genre in order to be successful.

Eve doesn't compete with WoW. Most would agree that Eve shouldn't try to poach WoW players...due to various unscientific evaluations of their intellect.

CCP has a history of NOT going along with the mainstream....of courting a different kind of player. A lot of players and most non-players of Eve would agree that capsuleers are on an extreme end of the MMO population. We like it that way. We like to be able to gloat to other MMO players that we're smart enough to understand Eve and tough enough to survive in it's harsh environs.

CCP, IMO is going to market Dust to a similar niche in the console market. "Console-kiddies" are not that market. CCP believes that there are console gamers out there looking for a new experience, a persistent world that is like no other game. It's not for the eleventy-billion Team Fortress/Battleground/Halo players.

Dust will be successful as a niche FPSMMO much the same as Eve has been successful as a niche MMO.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2011-09-26 23:21:13 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

Dude. I laughed so hard I fell off my chair and broke my bum! +1

Sounds like you need to take the fabric from your hood and make a cushion. Also anybody who thinks Goons and console kiddies are the same thing doesn't really understand either group. Next you'll be telling me 4chan is funnier than somethingawful...

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#48 - 2011-09-26 23:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
I thought one of the reasons they weren't making Dust for PC right away was that aimbots are easy to make for PC. Can they make the same types of things on PS3, I don't know. Maybe someone can correct me on this.

Also I heard a rumour that mouse and keyboard players beat console players. Better to have a fair playing field?

I'm also one of those people who think that after awhile they'll release a PC version.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2011-09-26 23:40:34 UTC
non judgement wrote:
I'm also one of those people who think that after awhile they'll release a PC version.

I'm sure that will happen when they finally realize the PS3 thing was a mistake but by then it will be too late. Plus like you mentioned mouse+keyboard players will always beat console players in an FPS (it has little to do with aimbots just that the keyboard makes aiming much easier) so then all the PS3 players would get demoralized and quit.

The idea behind Dust 514 (an fps component to a spaceship mmo) sounds fantastic and would have been a great improvement to the core game (and another chance to mess with pubbies) but as soon as they went the console route they killed it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#50 - 2011-09-26 23:45:11 UTC
Kunming wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
I've been to trailer videos and articles about DUST and every single one of them has comments broken down roughly as such:

20% "**** YOU CCP MAKE A PC/XBOX VERSION"
10% "...ya know what? I'm gonna get a PS3 just for this" (I know this is way more then I expected)
10% "...I'm a bitter vet and this is just gonna fail"
60% "WOO THIS IS AWESOME, WHEN'S IT COME OUT?!"

Yes these numbers are very rough and bit arbitrary but you get the idea.

Point is, I don't care what bitter vets say at this point about DUST anymore...


Not every vet is bitter.

Those comments break down the EVE community responses, DUST is still an unknown for the majority of the console community. Then look at what Prince Kobol said, no idea how much is truth but one thing is for sure the market has already favourites and DUST will have to compete for publicity in the first place, before its gameplay will be tested and judged by the masses.


Yes but I'd be willing to say that half of that 60% is very enthusiastic but doesn't even know EVE exists

(I lol'd at that guy that was trying to claim Sony built it form the ground up cause ti was on PS3 or something)

The Drake is a Lie

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#51 - 2011-09-27 19:22:19 UTC
Well heres the thing, Eve is most likely going to steal MAG players.

MAG is the current PS3 mass on mass team co-operative play pitting players in 129 player battlefields. Teamwork is nessecary to succed.

MAG players are probably just as adamant as 'Halo' fans in thier genre subdivision, so games like resistance (arcade) barely interest them while something along the lines of battlefield (tatical operations) would have more appeal. And from the looks of it, MAG players are far more hyped over Dust than they are about any interation of battlefield.

If you take MAG sprinkle a bit more sci-fi into it, multiple planets, long lasting concequences and extensive teamwork that extends beyond the battlefield youd get something remarkedbly close to Dust.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2011-09-27 19:44:41 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:

However the OP is a couple months late to the Dust will fail party.

Pretty much... seems like another pissed xbox owner.


Nah just a pissed off PC gamer.

the only games where a PC matters anymore is MMO's and RTS's
Dust is a shooter, thus console is superior.
the problem is, shooters don't do well on PS3, look at killzone 3, about 3 million in sales... terrible for the hype of killzone.
then look at gears 3, 3million sales in the first week.. will climb around Christmas as well..

i know just about every PC fanboy will rage at what i said, but its unfortunate fact, PC gaming has died off since the PS2/xbox. less and less companies every care about PC shooters or RPG's and some don't even port their games to it anymore. remove MMO's and RTS's and think of 3 companies that make exclusive PC games anymore.
Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#53 - 2011-09-27 19:50:14 UTC
Maybe, but Im really going to enjoy throttling the POS consumable supply.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#54 - 2011-09-27 19:57:14 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:


Also, console kiddies in Eve lol



A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind.


+1

PS. Also I had my first ship loss in Eve from Cpt Fina's Crow in Egghelende Lol

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos

Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-09-28 00:07:16 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:


Also, console kiddies in Eve lol



A goon complaining about console kiddies in Eve is like an attention deficit hyperactivity disordered kid with a megaphone amplified drumset complaining about the neighbour snoring, or some ****.

In any case, the lack of self perspective in that post... blows my mind.


+1

PS. Also I had my first ship loss in Eve from Cpt Fina's Crow in Egghelende Lol



Back in the days when the crow didn't suck What?
What the hell were CCP thinking when they balanced light missiles?

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-09-28 01:28:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
I think for Dust to be interesting to different types of gamers would entail it having some sort of single player experience, at least something you can do on your own. It would be amazing if we could get an actual single player storyline, even if it's only 5-6 hours long. Even something along the lines of missions we do in Eve would be interesting.

I think that if its goal is to reach the spastic, ADHD suffering, Red Bull-chugging idiot FPS gamers then it's going to flop because as soon as the next big thing comes out for PS3 or Xbox 360, they'll forget all about it. All it will take is another Modern Warfare or Halo or Battlefield to come along and people will forget all about DUST. They need to do something really, really special with it to make people WANT to continue playing even after the release of other competitors' titles, because if it's just gonna be another one of those achievement or upgrade farming FPS games, it's gonna die off relatively quickly.

Multiplayer of course is the key to its gameplay, but I still feel that CCP needs to have something else besides MAG in space with mindless fragging, even if said fragging is based around team objectives.
Jita Alt666
#57 - 2011-09-28 01:40:48 UTC
I don't play FPS games (last I played was RTCW ET 1.21 in 2005). Can some one provide a ranking list of the Best FPS games so that I can compare company history, development budgets, persistent game player numbers, etc.

When you post your list stick DUST in where you think Dust will be.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#58 - 2011-09-28 02:23:55 UTC
I got a Wii two years ago as a gift ... never hooked it up. I am not much of a Wii, PS3, XBOX player.

However, I do need to buy a blu-ray. I think I will buy a PS3 because of DUST and it's universal acceptance for blu-ray formats and ability to have it's blu-ray upgraded. I'll even join one of my character's corporations!

I think it will be successful.
mkint
#59 - 2011-09-28 02:38:54 UTC
Can't we all just agree that succeed or fail, having Dust around will suck for people who play the Real EVE?

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-09-28 04:34:25 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:

If you think Dust is "just another console shooter" then you don't know much about Dust.




or eve.

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