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scamming anddo you do it and why
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#1 - 2012-04-03 20:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: lanyaie
I know margin trading, trade scam and the usual contract scams. So I'm asking are there any other ways?
And do they still work. I use margin trading and make a decent amount of ISK with it
I personally use margin trading as for example the best one was today, when I scammed a noob out of his drake and all his isk(80m) in Rens. I offered him some useless tags wich seemed to be rare(you know how I did it not explaining) He contacted me asking if he could buy for the discounted price because he only had a Drake to runh and 80million. He sold the drake I gained nmy cash everyone happy


Anyhow have any of you ever scammed(im sure you have) and if you have how much isk or items were involved and did your victim produce tears?

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#2 - 2012-04-04 02:00:38 UTC
Send me 100 mil and I'll tell you.

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#3 - 2012-04-04 06:08:26 UTC
Sure but can i instead pay you im jarkon tags? They are woth about 30m each in amarr and rens region.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-04-04 06:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
For me it's more of a Opportunistic thing.

I don't actively go out of my way to scam people. Just when I think they deserve it.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#5 - 2012-04-05 16:33:38 UTC
Someone tried to sell me a Protien once with some t3 stuff, another guy tried to recruit me to a corp and "teach me PVP".. Jakes wunderbeam..

Havn't seen many scams other than that.

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Ohaya Togenada
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-05 16:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ohaya Togenada
Without being harsh the op is either a dumbass or below the age of 15.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#7 - 2012-04-05 16:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
How was that not harsh?

To the OP: I doubt most scammers are enthusiastic about sharing the tricks of their trade, any more than most master traders are willing to share their most profitable schemes. On the other-hand, non-scammers might not be over-enthusiastic about giving you ideas... You might want to read some threads by victims to figure it out.

EDITed to add: other posters are correct; it is not rocket science exactly.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-05 17:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Ohaya Togenada wrote:
Without being harsh the op is either a dumbass or below the age of 15.



This.

Scams these days only need a single brain cell and knowledge of copy cut paste.


They are so blantantly obvious its pathetic....I practiucally fall asleep when I see them.

People who fall for them should be removed from the gene pool right along with the scammers....not because of the scam...but becasue its embarassing to be in a game where they do something so stupidly obvious.


If your gonna do a scam...at least be clever about it or original.

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-05 19:39:58 UTC
1. post in local that I'm quitting the game and will trade all my isk for 1 unit of ore. But the contract states I will sell 1 unit of ore for a good amount of isk
2. post in local that I'm wanting to buy a plex for 500k in isk. But the contract states I will buy 2 plexes for 500k

see these all day long and it's so sad
Spy 21
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-04-05 21:05:13 UTC
The best of the best scams are done such that the victim never knows he's been scammed

By no means is the margin trading scam new or innovative but it does have the ability to fool the victim into thinking his inability to sell to that market order was for reasons other than being intentionally screwed.

When I bought my first freighter, I went around trying to find things to do with it. I quickly found that good isk could be made running huge amounts of ore or minerals around for high volume low margin trades. In this frame of mind I ran across a market order for a large volume of Trit at well over the market. It had a minimum quantity on it.

To make a long story short, I actually ignored the related sell order in the same system that was priced well below the buy order but significantly higher than the 'market'... filled my freighter with tritanium from the market hub and trucked the 10 jumps to where this buy order was placed

Needless to say, when I went to sell the trit, the order failed. At the time, I assumed someone else sold it out from underneath me.

This all worked out ok for me as it only cost me time actually... I simply hauled my trit to the next best market and still made a good profit

Had I been the unfortunate victim who had purchased the overpriced tritanium in the same system hoping to turn a quick profit I would have been stuck with it and ended up losing a significant amount of isk. As it was, I ended up killing the scammers margin order without him ever selling his high priced tritanium

The point is, I never knew I had been scammed. I eventually gave the freighter away in one of my ragequits and never really got back into the business of bulk hauling. The only thing I can say for sure is that EVERY time there is a minimum quantity on a buy order that some sort of scam is involved.

So if you want to run the best scams... make it so the victim never knows he's been scammed. Margin orders can accomplish this as do hauling contracts with exceptionally large collateral requirements... teamed up with a good suicide ganker of course. I ran a few contacts into and out of Amamake simply for the profits that could be made on the failed contracts. Actually made a fair amount of isk but went through a long dry spell where no one failed and I lost interest in doing it

Anyways

S



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kiki mo
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#11 - 2012-04-05 21:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: kiki mo
New Eden is a better place because of cheese...it goes well on just about any food.

Back on topic, an actual decent scammer that used to chat around in the major trade hubs with his alts - Burnie Madoff - would do mineral buying/selling...haven't seen him around lately but haven't really been in the trade hubs in a while.

Another classic is the Carbon instead of Charon one...haven't seen it for a while either.

edit: it's usually funny to me to hear the crying and whining of people who 'got scammed' when they were the ones who were led by their own greed (and think they're the clever ones until they find out they've idiots). It usually happens that way in life as well, scams wouldn't generally succeed if the scammees wouldn't be so damn greedy.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#12 - 2012-04-05 21:34:56 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Ohaya Togenada wrote:
Without being harsh the op is either a dumbass or below the age of 15.



This.

Scams these days only need a single brain cell and knowledge of copy cut paste.


They are so blantantly obvious its pathetic....I practiucally fall asleep when I see them.

People who fall for them should be removed from the gene pool right along with the scammers....not because of the scam...but becasue its embarassing to be in a game where they do something so stupidly obvious.


If your gonna do a scam...at least be clever about it or original.

read my post check my contract history check my alts contract history and if there was a trade history look at how many "generous" 1 isk ships i receive in a day. you're the dumbass now

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#13 - 2012-04-05 21:46:16 UTC  |  Edited by: lanyaie
Also if that's the best you can think off to say to me, I think you need to pay more attention at school or perhaps go read trolling guide 101 that **** right there is a must have on the eve-o forums.




Too lazy to change signature so:

" I usually only come to the forums when im drunk, because that's the only way i'll be able to actually read all this **** without getting bored"

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#14 - 2012-04-05 22:41:09 UTC
kiki mo wrote:

edit: it's usually funny to me to hear the crying and whining of people who 'got scammed' when they were the ones who were led by their own greed (and think they're the clever ones until they find out they've idiots). It usually happens that way in life as well, scams wouldn't generally succeed if the scammees wouldn't be so damn greedy.


Pretty much. I really do wonder how many times people have posted to their corp chat talking about this great scam they just pulled off on some poor sap, only to have it pointed it out that they themselves were scammed.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-05 22:51:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
lanyaie wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Ohaya Togenada wrote:
Without being harsh the op is either a dumbass or below the age of 15.



This.

Scams these days only need a single brain cell and knowledge of copy cut paste.


They are so blantantly obvious its pathetic....I practiucally fall asleep when I see them.

People who fall for them should be removed from the gene pool right along with the scammers....not because of the scam...but becasue its embarassing to be in a game where they do something so stupidly obvious.


If your gonna do a scam...at least be clever about it or original.

read my post check my contract history check my alts contract history and if there was a trade history look at how many "generous" 1 isk ships i receive in a day. you're the dumbass now


Train Reading and Comprehension to Level 2 before opening big mouth.

Seriously.....I don't give a flying #### about your history or whatever **** youve given or traded.

My thoughts are on scamming in general..and your offering dumb common sense "well duh" herp derp derp on scamming 101 that any 3 year old could figure out.

My point stands....if your going to scam....at least put some effort into it...or kindly GTFO noob.

PS: I dont have a problem with scams....its just they are utterly brain dead these days....wheres the originality? Wheres the epic lol's? Now its just a copy copy copy copy copy copy copy obviously brain dead stupid only an idiot falls for this type thing...and people actaully take PRIDE in these scams....please...get over yourselves!

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Zills
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-05 23:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zills
I've never scammed anddo*, he's too sharp.
Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-05 23:32:50 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Sure but can i instead pay you im jarkon tags? They are woth about 30m each in amarr and rens region.


Hell, lose the goggles, they're interfering with your ability to type on the keyboard.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-06 03:15:58 UTC
flakeys
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-06 14:31:44 UTC
This 'anddo' guy must have a ****** life in eve if OP is right.Appears everyone scams anddo.


Anddo if you are out there and reading the forums mail me dude we must try and work something out for you.Scamming sure but grieffing this anddo by multiple scam attacks so anddo leaves the game is NOT FUNNY.

LEAVE ANDDO ALONE Cry

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2012-04-06 16:24:52 UTC
I've made a couple billion scamming the amateur trade window scammers who decided to copy someone who REALLY knew what they were doing.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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