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[Proposal] Planetary Interaction 2.1 - [PI Future Vision Roadmap]

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Kitt JT
True North.
#61 - 2012-03-03 18:13:35 UTC
I like a lot of this. I've always wanted some type of rts eletment to eve, available to players.

a couple notes though:
the "bank should NOT be able to generate ANY isk from nothing."
Any setup where it does is wide open to abuse.

allowing moon goo to be extracted from wh's, would likely crash the market for it unfortunatly

also related to wh's, supercaps should NOT be able to be built in wh's, and here's why.
At the moment, it is very difficult to conquer anyone entrenched in a wh due to mass limitations.
The reason for these mass limitations was to promote some of the 'small gang pvp' that everyone loves.
Allowing players to build supers inside a wh, would make said wh essentially invincible if even ONE were produced.

finally, as much as i hate to say it, it took ccp years to give the assault frigs a little bit of love. I doubt they're going to go doing anything as big as this unfortunately :(
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#62 - 2012-03-04 22:51:21 UTC
Two step wrote:
As I say to everyone who brings up similar ideas, CCP has game designers already. They are usually good at their job, and are almost always far better than players are at this sort of thing. The chances of them seeing a proposal like this and fully adopting it are basically 0.

In this specific case, CCP had a ton of stuff *planned* for PI, and it turned out to be too much work to implement, so they started cutting features, and we ended up with the system we have now, which is boring and lacks any sort of "game". PI is also where the DUST link will come into play, and they already need to figure out how to make that compelling, fun, and interesting.


sir i have to correct you... EVE players are extremely intelligent... Moreover a fair amount of former players now work at ccp...

I would not be so arrogant to suggest to us that this could never be incorporated into eve since the new direction ccp is headed in...

Plus one from me...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-03-04 23:45:35 UTC
+1, Impressive piece of work. Huge smorgasbord of features which nicely interplay and add almost it's own game to EvE.

Hope you don't mind the cross reference but I found it atmospherically like an EvE version of sim city. (meant in a nice way).

Only problem I would see is it being an AH proposal, considered the bottleneck graveyard for designs, but I'm sure CCP will have seen it still.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#64 - 2012-03-06 18:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Kitt JT wrote:
I like a lot of this. I've always wanted some type of rts eletment to eve, available to players.

a couple notes though:
the "bank should NOT be able to generate ANY isk from nothing."


Each bank will be connected to a wallet division of a corporation or a player's wallet. It can only supply isk for approved loans if the wallet has the funds.

To this end, Banks cannot generate isk out of thin air since they would need the isk to begin with. The only isk that could be generated out of thin air, would be the interest payable due to corp adjustable interest rates. This is the profit the bank makes out of the loan.

But to prevent abuse of interest spamming, no trial accounts would be allowed to take out loans. And if the character that took out the loan does not have the needed isk to repay the loan (or is biomassed), the bank will reclaim that isk from your non existent wallet and put it into a negative balance, regardless of your characters status. I also think it would be worth while to flag all characters that get loans approved. This loan flag would prevent the character from being biomassed during the loan period, or until the loan is repaid with interest due.

Loans will be subject to the interest rates they were approved under. In this way, a banking operation cannot extort more interest out of a loan than it agreed upon even if they hike their interest rates during the loan period. This will not deter scamming tho, since the banks should by setup be allowed to "hide" their interest rates from their would be loan shark victims in the making, prior to signing the loan agreement. Once the agreement is signed, any descriptions would be listed as such, while the "actual" interest rate would be displayed along side it. This would make finding reputable banks harder to find in a world of perpetual griefing, pvping, scamming and right down ruthlessness. As much as security status is a part of jihadding, so too should reputation be a part of banking. All it would take is one post, chainmail or eve news cast with less than favorable publicity.


While this suggestion is by no means a perfect system (and would probably only serve as a foundation for expanding into the future beyond), I believe this working version is pretty air tight for Eve. Any cracks that could be identified and or exploited going forward, should be considered a legitimate risk of banking, much like scamming is a legitimate risk for trading.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Paintchk
Facepunch Industries
#65 - 2012-03-08 15:02:50 UTC
THIS NEEDS TO GO INTO THE GAME.

+1
+1000 if I could. Big smile
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#66 - 2012-03-08 21:15:07 UTC
Great Idea and a great proposal.
This is like building an entirely new game but would fit really well with the ever expanding EVE universe.
I would have to say that there would be very little chance of CCP doing this, just based on the massive amount of work it would be, but even a striped down version would add so much depth the the EVE universe and it could always be upgraded to what you propose gradually over several expansions.

That is if EVE survives the implementation of DUST 514
Hunter Cazaderon
What The French
#67 - 2012-03-29 08:17:30 UTC
Only read the first few pages !

This HAS to be the future !

I'm new to Eve and i since i play i have been thinking that planets lack some real life.

I mean. Not everybody lives in stations in New Eden right so why do those beautiful planets looks so empty ?

Founder of  www.dust514-france.fr
hellwarz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-04-04 04:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: hellwarz
+1 I'm all for this. this would be fun to play with
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#69 - 2012-04-05 14:45:02 UTC
Two step wrote:
As I say to everyone who brings up similar ideas, CCP has game designers already. They are usually good at their job, and are almost always far better than players are at this sort of thing. The chances of them seeing a proposal like this and fully adopting it are basically 0.

In this specific case, CCP had a ton of stuff *planned* for PI, and it turned out to be too much work to implement, so they started cutting features, and we ended up with the system we have now, which is boring and lacks any sort of "game". PI is also where the DUST link will come into play, and they already need to figure out how to make that compelling, fun, and interesting.


i completely disagree, CCP listens to its player base. if enough people want something, they are pretty good about making it happen. this proposal needs more attention, and i'm sure that with enough player backing, this type of feature could be implemented, with or without the CSM's involvement.

some great work here Asuka. your suggestions will add meaningful depth and complexity to PI and the game overall. i strongly encourage the CSM and CCP to consider this for implementation.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#70 - 2012-06-01 17:07:38 UTC
Bump

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Zach Arody
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-07-12 14:41:35 UTC
I've read the PDF, and from what I read, I give full support to it, and it would make my few planets all that much safer.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2012-07-14 14:45:08 UTC
Can anyone tell me is this even being taken in consideration? Because if it aint we should burn Jita again.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#73 - 2012-07-14 14:54:28 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Can anyone tell me is this even being taken in consideration? Because if it aint we should burn Jita again.


I can tell you its been looked at by Team PI as per the mail below:

CCP Phantom wrote:

PI 2.1 - The Assembly Hall version
From: CCP Phantom
Sent: 2011.12.22 10:39
To: Asuka Solo

Hello Asuka Solo,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you as well!

Thank you for very much for your almost overwhelming work on the PI 2.1 document. The link to the pdf file is, from my point of view, fine and certainly that amount of work deserves an applause.

I already wrote a mail to Team Pi, so that they can take a closer look. :-)

Personally I think your ideas to be excellent and exciting, but I am not a game designer and I do not know the constrains under which PI has to operate.

It was a good idea to post in the Assembly Hall, the CSM can be a powerful help. Maybe you can try to contact the CSM members directly too. Or you can even try to run for CSM yourself in the long run too!


Best regards,
CCP Phantom
Community Coordinator


But I have not yet heard anything from any of the other CCP gods...

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#74 - 2012-07-14 15:33:45 UTC
SPAM the CSM so they get it on table when they fly next time to Island!

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Armagedoom
The Destined
#75 - 2012-07-24 11:41:25 UTC
+1
Coronus Vistule
Darkhold Enterprises
#76 - 2012-07-26 19:31:29 UTC
+1

I would say that Caldari shouldn't create Homeless. They are The Machine, The Corporation. I would say that they should create Unemployed.

Will edit this suggestion most likely as time goes on.
2pt
Writing Memoirs
#77 - 2012-07-26 20:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: 2pt
Asuka Solo

I give you +1000 for your effort, your insight and your "grace under fire".

Particularly, I want to commend you on being so willing to accept and consider variances from your original document. i also enjoyed how you dissected commenters who obviously had not read/understood your work, but demnostrated their resistance to change by wanting to protect their piece of the game from a fabulous idea which did not threaten them anyway.

I was very disappointed by the CSM comment which essentially seemed to imply that it is useless for players who spend a great amount of time looking at a single dimension of the game to make suggestions because a relatively tiny number of developers know best. Off topic comment follows: Just reinforced my belief in the uselessness of the CSM program. (no body of representives elected at large, will represent anything except their own agenda)

I understand your comment about how "laziness" can set in after dozens hours of squishing an idea into print, and I also know that positive interest in your idea can serve as a boost to the energy it takes to continue to refine/expand/review your work. So I send you my highest interstellar energy allowed to be sent via a forum post to continue to fight to the good fight every great idea deserves!

One more "Like" and big thank you!

And now I begin the "Dance of the Forum" to see how many tries it will take to get this posted! yay forum devs....

Editted in: got it posted on the second try! that's progress!
Xantos Semah
#78 - 2012-07-29 05:21:01 UTC
+1000

REMOVE LOCAL !!!
Ximiana
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-07-29 06:40:51 UTC
This is pure new fresh content for ppl to play with. And thats is in essence what this game need.
Artimus Utama
Sanctuary of the Void
#80 - 2012-08-08 05:34:20 UTC
+1