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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2011-09-26 19:42:11 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.
Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by now…
Kunming
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-09-26 19:59:24 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:

Dunno most shooter players Ive talked too are just full of giddy happiness that rivals a missile full of sunshine when I tell them that battles in dust have pernament concequences or results making every fight meaningful its like having single player outcomes on a multiplayer platter.


Well YOU know how epic its gonna be and tell that to your friends. Those who dont have an EVE buddy wont know about it-

Hell, I'm still telling ppl about EVE and they are amazed that there is such a game and they never heard about it.

Just saying, when we (EVE players) are here already and ready to pay, why exclude us and search for riches in risky markets?

The answer to that why is: GREED...

If CCP really thinks we are going to buy a console to play their game, well, they should know that I rather buy PLEX for the same money and grief DUSTies from orbit.Twisted
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2011-09-26 20:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Kunming wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:

Dunno most shooter players Ive talked too are just full of giddy happiness that rivals a missile full of sunshine when I tell them that battles in dust have pernament concequences or results making every fight meaningful its like having single player outcomes on a multiplayer platter.


Well YOU know how epic its gonna be and tell that to your friends. Those who dont have an EVE buddy wont know about it-

Hell, I'm still telling ppl about EVE and they are amazed that there is such a game and they never heard about it.

Just saying, when we (EVE players) are here already and ready to pay, why exclude us and search for riches in risky markets?

The answer to that why is: GREED...

If CCP really thinks we are going to buy a console to play their game, well, they should know that I rather buy PLEX for the same money and grief DUSTies from orbit.Twisted


All the more cash for CCP to hire more staff and build better servers. They might even finally pay someone to clean and repair the fish tank camLol
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#24 - 2011-09-26 20:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
I've been to trailer videos and articles about DUST and every single one of them has comments broken down roughly as such:

20% "**** YOU CCP MAKE A PC/XBOX VERSION"
10% "...ya know what? I'm gonna get a PS3 just for this" (I know this is way more then I expected)
10% "...I'm a bitter vet and this is just gonna fail"
60% "WOO THIS IS AWESOME, WHEN'S IT COME OUT?!"

Yes these numbers are very rough and bit arbitrary but you get the idea.

Point is, I don't care what bitter vets say at this point about DUST anymore...

The Drake is a Lie
Prince Kobol
#25 - 2011-09-26 20:13:12 UTC
I lot of my mates are console FPS junkies and they all play on the PS3.

From CoD, MW, Rainbow 6, Unreal, Battlefield etc etc

Only a couple had heard of Dust and were not even slightly interested.

This is the major problem for Dust.

It is going up against some of the best know FPS Multiplayer titles that have a long history and a hardcore following and I can not honestly seeing any of these players moving over to Dust.
Kunming
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-09-26 20:26:00 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I've been to trailer videos and articles about DUST and every single one of them has comments broken down roughly as such:

20% "**** YOU CCP MAKE A PC/XBOX VERSION"
10% "...ya know what? I'm gonna get a PS3 just for this" (I know this is way more then I expected)
10% "...I'm a bitter vet and this is just gonna fail"
60% "WOO THIS IS AWESOME, WHEN'S IT COME OUT?!"

Yes these numbers are very rough and bit arbitrary but you get the idea.

Point is, I don't care what bitter vets say at this point about DUST anymore...


Not every vet is bitter.

Those comments break down the EVE community responses, DUST is still an unknown for the majority of the console community. Then look at what Prince Kobol said, no idea how much is truth but one thing is for sure the market has already favourites and DUST will have to compete for publicity in the first place, before its gameplay will be tested and judged by the masses.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-09-26 20:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Tippia wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.
Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by now…

That's kind of my point. Console kiddies don't stick with one game for any length of time and developers have to keep cranking out new games to appease them. Do you really see CCP making Dust, Dust 2, and Dust 3 in a year?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2011-09-26 20:47:58 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
That's kind of my point. Console kiddies don't stick with one game for any length of time and developers have to keep cranking out new games to appease them. Do you really see CCP making Dust, Dust 2, and Dust 3 in a year?
…you mean kind of like releasing (say) a yearly content patch and game update?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2011-09-26 20:51:04 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.
Yes. The PS3-exclusive shooters have all been such abysmal failures that they're only into their third or fourth sequel by now…

That's kind of my point. Console kiddies don't stick with one game for any length of time and developers have to keep cranking out new games to appease them. Do you really see CCP making Dust, Dust 2, and Dust 3 in a year?


Thats because those games are not made to last.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2011-09-26 20:51:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
That's kind of my point. Console kiddies don't stick with one game for any length of time and developers have to keep cranking out new games to appease them. Do you really see CCP making Dust, Dust 2, and Dust 3 in a year?
…you mean kind of like releasing (say) a yearly content patch and game update?

game update is not a sequel. Console games don't live on updates and DLC for very long because the audience has been trained to expect a brand new game every few months. CCP expecting Dust to live alongside Eve for years is foolish.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
David Estarra
Starside Lost
#31 - 2011-09-26 20:52:25 UTC
ITT: Apparent time travel.. but I'm not sure if it's the OP going into the future or me going into the past and seeing this thread again.

Ooh, I've come over all deja vu.. must be that time of the month..

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-09-26 20:52:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thats because those games are not made to last.

You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2011-09-26 21:12:31 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
game update is not a sequel. Console games don't live on updates and DLC for very long because the audience has been trained to expect a brand new game every few months.
…maybe because no-one has tried. And DLCs have most certainly kept games alive for longer than they otherwise would, but no-one has really pushed that angle.

Tbh, I think it's more due to the console game developers expecting to release a brand new game every few months, because they operate on a one-shot sales model. I'm not at all convinced that the gamers are completely inert-ified (ehm… yes… that's a word… now) and incapable of embracing a new release model.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2011-09-26 21:31:41 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thats because those games are not made to last.

You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v



I also used a tie bomber to dogfight a-wings in SWG, used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside and belly flop a blackhawk onto troops in BF2 and get away with all of it. Welcome to the whaky world of Baltec, where madness isnt always all that mad.

I think if CCP do it right it will be a success. Dare you doubt my madness?
Kunming
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-09-26 21:37:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thats because those games are not made to last.

You unironically fly a megathron in fleets so you'll understand why I can't take your opinion seriously. v0v



I also used a tie bomber to dogfight a-wings in SWG, used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside and belly flop a blackhawk onto troops in BF2 and get away with all of it. Welcome to the whaky world of Baltec, where madness isnt always all that mad.

I think if CCP do it right it will be a success. Dare you doubt my madness?


The core EVE players that hit the 75k subscribers to turn a profit came from failing space MMOs at that time. It was the right product at the right time.

I come from Mankind myself, a space themed RTSMMO.

I dont see the console FPS market having any fail like that atm or near the release dates of DUST, it is coming to an already saturated market.

These are only speculations OFC none of us can see into the future.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2011-09-26 21:48:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
used a lightning tank as a paratrooper in gal infantry drops in planetside
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that doesn't count as “madness” — more as “business as usual”.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2011-09-26 21:53:12 UTC
Kunming wrote:


The core EVE players that hit the 75k subscribers to turn a profit came from failing space MMOs at that time. It was the right product at the right time.

I come from Mankind myself, a space themed RTSMMO.

I dont see the console FPS market having any fail like that atm or near the release dates of DUST, it is coming to an already saturated market.

These are only speculations OFC none of us can see into the future.



Gears of war and halo managed to do it. The thing about most console FPS including COD is that the multiplayer is not all that fantastic. COD multiplayer hasnt seen anything new for a very long time. The only reason why its so big is because they come out with a new one every 6 or so months. Battlefield games do multiplayer much better but even they didnt do console multiplayer very well.

If dust offers something new and different then it could easily be a success.
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#38 - 2011-09-26 21:57:53 UTC
When the EA and Activison poor £50million into advertising for their shooters, why is anyone expecting Dust to make any sort of impact?

The only thing that would make dust a box office sucess would be critical acclaim, and unless they've mastered the art of MICROtransactions, I don't see that happening.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-09-26 21:58:46 UTC
I love it when people are burning a game to the ground a year before they even release it. The press got informed on this year's E3 and GamesCon and they named the game as the most ambitious and innovative game in a long time. Do you really think CCP would start a project like this without some basic insurance that this might actually work?

Be glad that we get a game like DUST. Or would you rather play another ****** Halo or COD? Sure it has the potential to fail horribly. But what if it does become a success? It would be the new benchmark for online gaming.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-09-26 22:04:43 UTC
Quote:
Anybody who's not a mouthbreathing idiot can see the future when it comes to Dust. A console shooter (a market that is glutted with titles) exclusive to the console with the smallest audience is doomed to fail.

Also, console kiddies in Eve lol

As much as i usually disagree with Scarlet (only cause she's a Goon and if they post they are either wrong or trolling), I am inclined to agree with her/it/he here.

If CCP wants Dust to roll for a long time, they are going to need a PC port at the very least to get Eve players on board. Old dudes like me can't even do a backflip on console motorbike 'cos I can't press 19 buttons with 11 fingers all at the same time. PC port and it might kick nicely.

However. One thing I haven't worked out yet.

If Dust 514 is all about control of planets, how will that affect PI in Eve? And subsequently all POS mods/fuel etc...

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