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So how is C1 to C3 wormhole space these days?

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#1 - 2012-04-02 00:23:50 UTC
In the early days of wormholes i was in wormhole space a few times and found it fairly fun, but I don't really have people to hang with and i cannot make a time commitment right now..

but how dangerous are they now? do you run into lots of people who have staked a claim? or can you get in and out for a bit of soloing without issue?

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-02 00:45:30 UTC
Check the dotlan and wormnav, they will give you general idea what is up in particular wh system. Nothing is for sure, but at least you will have a clue.

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Eat dessert first!

Malkev
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#3 - 2012-04-02 01:21:51 UTC
They're as dangerous as you make them:

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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-02 01:25:35 UTC
Them are as safe as high sec...............Big smile
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
The Bastion
#5 - 2012-04-02 01:35:10 UTC
Denidil wrote:

but how dangerous are they now? do you run into lots of people who have staked a claim? or can you get in and out for a bit of soloing without issue?


Most half-decent C1-3 systems are occupied. You can still ninja solo sites, but not without the risk of locals or other visitors wanting to convert you to space-dust.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

drdxie
#6 - 2012-04-02 02:55:01 UTC
Something to note, staticmaper, wormnav, etc no longer show jumps in and out of wh's. Apparently WH's were too safe so CCP fixed it Twisted

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Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
#7 - 2012-04-02 03:24:16 UTC
I actually have had a much different experience than substantia.

In my experience c1s have been relatively empty except for the occasional PI corp. C2s and C3s are about 60% occupied in my survey of systems i have used, but these are primarily high sec static. The low sec or null sec statics are almost always empty, isk balloons. You shouldnt have much trouble doing day ops in most wh systems regardless of their occupation, although some will be more heavily guarded than the average system

Svodola.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Marsan
#8 - 2012-04-02 03:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
A lot less c1-3 wormholes are inhabited than most people think. This is do to the fact that most people you talk to are scanning from HS. A lot of the holes you find in HS are incoming C1-3 static HS. (Static in that the system always has a wormhole to HS.) An uninhabited C1-3 with a HS static won't connect unless the static wormhole is visited (generally by a C4-6 inhabitant looking for a HS connection.) . It's far more rare to find a random outgoing connection to a C1-3 system.

That said wormhole systems with a good mix of planets, and static high sec connection are generally inhabited, but I see a lot of C1-3 that aren't claimed by anyone. Not to mention a lot of systems with abandoned towers. C1-2 that have static connection that don't lead to HS aren't generally claimed. Personally I've always preferred the systems with static connections to c1-3 as generally no one wants to take the wormhole and the logistics of siege these sorts of holes are more difficult. (Not to mention you can chain collapse the static until you find a connection to a system with lots of sites.) Systems with only static C1 are even harder/safer as there is no reliable way to move ships larger than a battle cruiser in and out.

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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research
#9 - 2012-04-02 13:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Qui Shon
drdxie wrote:
Something to note, staticmaper, wormnav, etc no longer show jumps in and out of wh's. Apparently WH's were too safe so CCP fixed it Twisted


It's the other way around actually, removing jumps from api made it much safer. Jumps was a decent way of seeing activity levels of a new system you just opened into, so you could judge if it may have been worth keeping an eye out for potential kills in the next few hours.

Actually more commonly, if you had a long chain probed out, you could just hit F5 on dotlan every 15-30 min, to see if any systems were getting some activity in the chain. I'm betting some corps had that automated to some extent in their in-corp mapping tools. Back two years ago when I asked for it our coder/website guy didn't want to implement such automation because he found it unethical.

From the victims perspective, by the time jumps update to sites via api, it's way too late.
Bernie Nator
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#10 - 2012-04-02 13:34:29 UTC
So far, all the c1 to c3 I've seen are looking pretty good. Some more so than others. Then again, it's really depending on the inhabitants (or lack thereof). I know that the last person that tried to run me out my system received a response fleet of us the next day.

Bernie's Wormhole Fun Fact of the Day: If you're going to roll a hole to prevent people from getting in, close it the entire way or someone could sneak a scan boat in! Yikes!
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2012-04-02 14:29:58 UTC
Dangerous and profitable, as always. Since moving out there I've gotten a few fun kills and one very sad loss: my very first T3, a Legion I've flown for nearly a year, died to a Proteus/Legion swarm about a minute before I was going to warp out of their hole.

My Noctis made it out with enough loot to buy half of the Tengu that is replacing it and that Legion earned me billions over the years, so I can't complain. Also, I'll finally have a use for all the Pith c-types I've been collecting.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#12 - 2012-04-02 23:16:36 UTC
Many are uninhabited but a lot of ppl go hunting for targets in c1-c3 so be careful.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-04-03 15:17:34 UTC
if you enter through a k162, you're almost certainly in danger. if you enter through a non-static and the dscan is empty, you're probably safe.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-03 15:35:52 UTC
W-space is getting crowded. Many good systems are taken no matter the class and people don't like others poaching their anoms. Besides, most occupied systems are over farmed to the extent to not make it worth your time to look for holes you can run solo from k-space.

If you want to experience w-space, live there. It's the only way now. That's not to say you can't find a good system farm from k-space, you can, but it's rare and because it does link to k-space you'll have a much higher chance of getting popped. So, keep eyes on your exit at all times. Then you'll also probably have incoming wh's from other w-space/k-space systems. So, in the end, depending on system size and how much you hammer dscan, you'll probably never see your death coming until it lands right on top of you.

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Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#15 - 2012-04-03 17:20:41 UTC
It's pretty dang risky if your on your own. No visible local, cloaky t3 combat capable ships, and anomalys that don't require probes to be out, makes for an incredibly risky combo. If you have the capability of closing out your statics and any k162, and then not reprobing them, as well as having someone scouting with probes out rechecking frequently for new sigs that pop, you can be relatively safe. But if you can't do ALL those, then it's just a matter of time before your luck runs out. I have a tengu that I use, but am thinking of just going with drakes, so that I can laugh off any losses instead of steaming about them.

Once or twice a week, I find a c2 that is empty from one of my statics. It's rarely all that great of a hole too.
Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
#16 - 2012-04-03 20:10:52 UTC
When you first enter a WH look for a POS, and then look for evidence that they are home. How many anoms are there? Any wrecks on directional? Any ships on directional that aren't sitting at the POS (have to find the POS for this one).

Then look for other exits. Exits that lead to other unknown systems are going to be your highest risk, as most traffic doesn't come from empire.

If there is no POS (or you feel no one is home), and the only exit is the one you came through, then that is as safe as it gets. Pop the anoms, and salvage. Be sure to let the anom de-spawn before salvaging so it can't be found.

And, of course, always keep an eye on directional.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-03 23:10:59 UTC
Tierius Fro wrote:
When you first enter a WH look for a POS, and then look for evidence that they are home. How many anoms are there? Any wrecks on directional? Any ships on directional that aren't sitting at the POS (have to find the POS for this one).

Then look for other exits. Exits that lead to other unknown systems are going to be your highest risk, as most traffic doesn't come from empire.

If there is no POS (or you feel no one is home), and the only exit is the one you came through, then that is as safe as it gets. Pop the anoms, and salvage. Be sure to let the anom de-spawn before salvaging so it can't be found.

And, of course, always keep an eye on directional.


either this or fly a drake and shrug when it dies :D

I should buy an Ishtar.

Marsan
#18 - 2012-04-04 17:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
With a group running sites is not to difficult. You scan down the hole throughly. Either close or station a scout on the remaining holes. (Generally an alt cloaked and zoomed in on the wormhole listening for activation.) Pop out some combat probes outside of dscan range and blanket the system with your probes. Ignore all of the existing sigs. Now make sure your scanner is rescanning regularly, and everyone is hitting dscan. Now you are pretty safe. Even in inhabited holes this works fairly well especially if you watch the POS. That said be sure to check battleclinic for kills in this hole. If there are a lot of kills in the hole then I'd avoid it. Some corp POS up, some fleet up, and some have carriers even in C1-3. (Those guys are a bit insane about keeping people out as they built them in the hole. You should just avoid them.)

On the other hand you can put together a fleet of drakes or the like. Put a tractor in one drake and a slavager in the other. Throw a stab in one of your lows. Have a logged off probing alt in the hole with a covert ops probing ship. Hit dscan a lot, and salvage as you go. Drop a can in a safe spot and drop off your loot after every site. Sure you are going to die regularly, and when my alt and my friends land on you with a HIC you'll wipe. Who cares your drake will be paid off with a couple of sites if you are insured. Sleeper loot is very small (enough to your covert ops ship), and finding an anchored can is insanely hard to do (corp bookmarks!!). For more security you can do sites that require scanning which mean often you'll see the probe. (Of course in inhabited system assume the local have already scanned and bookmarked the all the sites.


PS- If you are scanning from HS don't do it near places with large populations or near well traveled routes. There are a lot of bored pvpers who scan for wormholes while they wait for their fleets to gather.

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illy velo
Emergency and I
#19 - 2012-04-04 17:48:04 UTC
I might also add one extra note to what my man Marsan just posted.

If you intend on salvaging with a Noctis, make sure you escort it while it salvages. I have 4 or 5 Noctis kills by just sneaking in with a Stealth Bomber, bombing / torping and warping off. A lot of times the Noctis pilots are alts of one of the other pilots and they don't even notice the Noctis is gone until I have already podded the pilot...
Marsan
#20 - 2012-04-04 17:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
Don't believe Ily Noctis are perfectly safe salvaging in wspace.

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